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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 day(s) 0 hour(s) ago

@Charles Beagle 

I get that CHI drafted Odunze to ensure Caleb Williams won't be lacking for quality targets anytime soon, but my God would Chop Robinson or Dallas Turner have looked good opposite Montez Sweat. Pace may have even been able to grab either after trading down with a team desperate to move up ahead of MIN for McCarthy or Nix. Pace kinda blew that one, IMO.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago

The Herbert injury and LA's lack of any real HFA scare me, but this is exactly the type of game recent Chargers editions would lose and Harbaugh was hired to win.

The last time DEN played a team with a decent QB was back on Nov. 10 on the road against Mahomes and the Chiefs. DEN lost that game 16-14, and I think we may see a similarly close game tonight.

Neither team can run. Courtland Sutton should get his numbers, but he is DEN's only real weapon. Tarheeb Still has stepped up, so the Hart/Molden injuries aren't terrifying. McConkey could have a big game as he avoids boundary-anchored Surtain, and Hayden Hurst might make an impact fresh off the IR.

LAC 23 DEN 20

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
3 day(s) 18 hour(s) ago

You're seriously overthinking the Rams/motivation angle.

"If the Rams win this game and the next one....provided SEA beats MIN, which is very possible...I don't know if the Rams will know this..."

MIN beating SEA is also very possible, and I'm sure the Rams are aware that they'll be alone in first place if that happens and they TCB vs. the Jets.

The Jets have done well the past two weeks because Mike McDaniel and Doug Pederson happen to be two of the few HCs that don't have a pronounced advantage over Jeff Ulbrich and company. Sean McVay won't let the Rams walk into an ambush.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 day(s) 0 hour(s) ago

Week 15 notes:

  • The Detroit Lions will continue their string of bad luck until they do the right thing and wear the silver pants.
  • Not buying Aidan Hutchinson returning in time for the Super Bowl. No way. That leg was shattered and wrapped around like the snake around the tree in a Garden of Eden painting.
  • That Pat Surtain injury looms large. The Broncos are going to blow this, aren't they?
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago

@Osmodiar 

Agree, but is there a tackle worth taking in the top-10?

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago

Tyler Warren in the 3rd RD is nuts. Probable top-25 pick, high-2nd RD floor.

Where is Josh Simmons? Easy to forget because of the injury, but might be the only pure OT prospect worthy of top-15 consideration in this draft. (Campbell and Banks profile as guards.)

Can't see Jihaad Campbell still on the board mid-2nd RD. Absolute monster.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide

When the Rams and Niners met in Week 3, the Rams were without Nacua and Kupp, while SF still had Mason, Aiyuk, Trent Williams and Hargrove...and the Rams won 27-24 as 6.5 point dogs.

The Rams have 1 turnover in the last four games, while the Niners have 8.

On career snaps Brock Purdy has played with Trent Williams in the lineup, the SF offense has averaged 0.18 EPA per play. On snaps taken without Williams in the lineup, the EPA drops to 0.0.

Since 2023, SF averages 2 TDs p/game when Trent Williams is injured. The Niners are 1-2 without Williams this season. In 2023, Purdy had 28 TD/2 INT with a healthy Williams, and 3 TD/9 INT without.

Sean McVay is 6-2 on short rest.

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Baird 53 Posts (31 )
5 day(s) 23 hour(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter Your take on WAS/NO may be right. Saints O-line is healthy and could grind out a close game. Kool-aid may shadow McLaurin & Ekeler is out so it could easily be a grinder game. As long as WAS wins I'm good.

I also like...
KC/CLE under
Phi +0.5
Pacheco > props
Added more to Justice Hill > 12.5 rush

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago

When the Rams and Niners met in Week 3, the Rams were without Nacua and Kupp, while SF still had Mason, Aiyuk, Trent Williams and Hargrove...and the Rams won 27-24 as 6.5 point dogs.

The Rams have 1 turnover in the last four games, while the Niners have 8.

On career snaps Brock Purdy has played with Trent Williams in the lineup, the SF offense has averaged 0.18 EPA per play. On snaps taken without Williams in the lineup, the EPA drops to 0.0.

Since 2023, SF averages 2 TDs p/game when Trent Williams is injured. The Niners are 1-2 without Williams this season. In 2023, Purdy had 28 TD/2 INT with a healthy Williams, and 3 TD/9 INT without.

Sean McVay is 6-2 on short rest.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide

When the Rams and Niners met in Week 3, the Rams were without Nacua and Kupp, while SF still had Mason, Aiyuk, Trent Williams and Hargrove...and the Rams won 27-24 as 6.5 point dogs.

The Rams have 1 turnover in the last four games, while the Niners have 8.

On career snaps Brock Purdy has played with Trent Williams in the lineup, the SF offense has averaged 0.18 EPA per play. On snaps taken without Williams in the lineup, the EPA drops to 0.0.

Since 2023, SF averages 2 TDs p/game when Trent Williams is injured. The Niners are 1-2 without Williams this season. In 2023, Purdy had 28 TD/2 INT with a healthy Williams, and 3 TD/9 INT without.

Sean McVay is 6-2 on short rest.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
7 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

For what it's worth, I think the Rams win out and take the NFC West. It all points to that SEA/LAR Week 18 game, which I think the Rams win (assuming they stay healthy). McVay kinda owns the Seahawks. I like SEA, but they're inconsistent and I gotta go with a dialed-in Stafford over Geno in a for-all-the-marbles game.

I like the vibe the Rams have going right now. They're balanced and efficient. I was worried that their young defensive front seven might fade, but then it occurred to me that Verse, Fiske, Turner, Young are grown men. Very smart of Snead/McVay to target mature, experienced prospects in the draft during their on-the-fly defensive rebuild.

Side notes: Turner is a stud. Elite interior pressure metrics. His matchup vs. the SF interior D-line (good zone run-blockers, bad in pass pro) was another big reason I liked the Rams over SF.

Kinda liking that All-Kam safety duo you got going. Kinchens was a steal.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
7 day(s) 1 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

This seems like a gift. Could easily be the type of game script where Henry and Hill feast for 3 quarters and even Keaton Mitchell gets in there in the 4th quarter and gets 15 yards and a TD.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide

When the Rams and Niners met in Week 3, the Rams were without Nacua and Kupp, while SF still had Mason, Aiyuk, Trent Williams and Hargrove...and the Rams won 27-24 as 6.5 point dogs.

The Rams have 1 turnover in the last four games, while the Niners have 8.

On career snaps Brock Purdy has played with Trent Williams in the lineup, the SF offense has averaged 0.18 EPA per play. On snaps taken without Williams in the lineup, the EPA drops to 0.0.

Since 2023, SF averages 2 TDs p/game when Trent Williams is injured. The Niners are 1-2 without Williams this season. In 2023, Purdy had 28 TD/2 INT with a healthy Williams, and 3 TD/9 INT without.

Sean McVay is 6-2 on short rest.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
7 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

I started the week on the right foot with small plays on the Rams and the UNDER. (Weather, sketchy SF offense without Trent Williams.) Not sure why so many were on the Niners in that spot - the Rams and Niners are plainly going in opposite directions.

Been mostly fading SF and ARI for a while now. Been thinking for a few months that the NFC West would come down to LAR and SEA.

Don't have a feel for CIN/TEN. Shootout potential if Pollard plays, but rain/wind might be factors. Calvin Ridley vs. Josh Newton screams mismatch, but that's assuming Levis doesn't lay an egg. He's overdue.

No reason why BAL won't give the Giants a snot-bubble beating.

My gut says the Saints give WAS a game. I'm worried WAS's bye week may have derailed that little bit of momentum they got back after dropping three straight. Then again, it also allowed Daniels more time to heal up.

Kamara and Kendre Miller should be able to bit off chunks behind Erik McCoy and keep the game low-scoring and tight. Daron Payne is QUESTIONABLE and Jer'Zhan Newton is putrid vs. the run.

I also worry that the effectiveness of the Kingsbury scheme will continue it's annual pattern of late-season fades.

Will probably give my plays tomorrow. GL

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago - hide

When the Rams and Niners met in Week 3, the Rams were without Nacua and Kupp, while SF still had Mason, Aiyuk, Trent Williams and Hargrove...and the Rams won 27-24 as 6.5 point dogs.

The Rams have 1 turnover in the last four games, while the Niners have 8.

On career snaps Brock Purdy has played with Trent Williams in the lineup, the SF offense has averaged 0.18 EPA per play. On snaps taken without Williams in the lineup, the EPA drops to 0.0.

Since 2023, SF averages 2 TDs p/game when Trent Williams is injured. The Niners are 1-2 without Williams this season. In 2023, Purdy had 28 TD/2 INT with a healthy Williams, and 3 TD/9 INT without.

Sean McVay is 6-2 on short rest.

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Baird 53 Posts (31 )
7 day(s) 14 hour(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter - great info right there! Crazy FG game was odd. Now I'm hoping LAR can win the div & make a playoff run. The last second FG killed my middle, but most of my $ was on Rams so all good.

I want to love TEN this week but Pollards D-D-L is sketchy. Brown, Rankins & the LB crew are out (CIN is starting an undrafted LB so Chig & Pollard could do well). I'm backing off a little awaiting Pollard news.

My biggest tease is WAS -1 and next is BAL -8.5. I cant imagine the Saints kill me like they did vs CLE, but any given Sunday. GL

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
9 day(s) 8 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

That is so embarrassing.

Might be 6-0. Then again, the Jets need their annual late-season/meaningless win that ensures they drop out of range for a decent QB in the draft.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
9 day(s) 8 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

Hey, don't give DET too much credit. It was Eberflus that beat CHI by 3.

I'm with Walt. BUF wins SU.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
9 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago

@DoctorJ 

My only beef with this analysis is the defensive stats angle. DET's defensive stats have to be taken with a huge grain of salt now that their front seven has been decimated by injury. I mean, Glenn's scheming is top-notch, but when you're down to starting guys like Al-Quadin Muhammad, Pat O'Connor, Jonah Williams, Ezekial Turner...that's gotta catch up to you.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
7 month(s) 26 day(s) ago - hide
Quinn Ewers will lose his job to Arch Manning and transfer.
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will33sx 5 Posts (0)
10 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter the sad thing is Arch couldn't beat Ewers out for the job. At least he's not like most of these kids and transfer when they lose the competition. They all want to star immediately and even though they've been paid they leave,because they're just a bunch of entitles children. The portal and NIL has made college football a professional league. I'm surprised they have to go to school ,i suppose alot don't and that's why they love the SEC with their extremely low academic standards.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
7 month(s) 26 day(s) ago
Quinn Ewers will lose his job to Arch Manning and transfer.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
15 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago

@Karensman 

I don't think you're mistaken. Walt's assessment of CIN/DAL is pretty spot-on. The Bengals just aren't a good team.

That opening CIN -6 line is nuts to me. The only explanations I can think of are:

DAL has been complete dogsh*t at home vs. any team with a pulse this season, or...

...Vegas anticipates a "pride" performance from CIN (which I might buy if CIN hadn't been so flat when it actually mattered and Zac Taylor wasn't such an ineffective HC), or...

...Vegas thinks bettors might ignore all the factors that make DAL the right side and boil it all down to "Burrow is so much better than Rush".

Pissed-off Burrow going nuclear while Rush lays an egg is definitely on the table, but Burrow has been going nuclear all season and the Bengals still lose. Like Walt said - CIN has almost nothing positive going on beyond Burrow/Chase/Higgins, while a lot of positive stuff is going on for DAL right now relative to their record. DAL will probably have Diggs and Bland back at CB...Orlando Brown Jr. is DOUBTFUL just as Parsons is getting into a lather...Lamb staying positive and gutting it out...Brandin Cooks coming back...Jake Ferguson coming back just as Logan Wilson goes on IR...DeMarvion Overshown emerging as a stud...hell, even Mazi Smith has been grading out well lately. I gotta think DAL stays within a FG.

I'm kinda liking SF to cover vs. your Bears. Even with all the injuries, one of those aforementioned pride games is something I could see from SF in this one, especially off two humbling road losses. Just can't see a Shanahan team quitting. The Bears are also pretty banged-up themselves.

If the Niners can run on anybody right now, it's CHI, and if SF can control any team's run game right now, it's CHI. (De'Andre Swift and Roschon Johnson are trending OUT.) I'm thinking a back-to-basics, 23-17ish win for SF behind a strong performance from Isaac Guerendo.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
15 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

LV absolutely can't run the ball. They shouldn't even waste their time trying vs. TB. I imagine Irving/White/Tucker will find success from jump, so O'Connell should be flinging it early and often. The TB pass D is susceptible.

The Bucs are awful defending the slot. If Tykee Smith is OUT again, Meyers could practically be running against air. Bowers will do his usual Bowers things, so there's real shootout potential in this one - assuming LV puts forth a little effort. I don't see why they wouldn't - it's not as if they're coming down from anything. They were never in contention to begin with. Pierce and his staff are awful, but the players like them, so I can't imagine LV just full-on rolling over.

I'm sniffing around an O'Connell/Meyers/Bowers stack for DFS tournaments, maybe with an Otton runback. (Two-TE uniqueness/Mike Evans hurt, QUESTIONABLE).

I'm with you on the Giants emerging with the #1 pick. Miserable vibes in that locker room. Drew Lock is now operating behind 3rd-string OTs...that's going to get really ugly. Schoen and Daboll feel like dead men walking.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
20 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide

My top play this week is ATL+1.5 at home. I think the Falcons win SU. Maybe even comfortably.

It's assumed that Jim Harbaugh's strong running game/strong defense foundation will travel well vs. a team like ATL, but way too many cracks are forming in that foundation to ignore.

For Harbaugh's formula to succeed, Gus Edwards will need to bite off chunks, and I don't see that happening. He looks totally cooked. (Yeah, maybe Hassan Haskins/Kimani Vidal get plugged in and do some damage, but I wouldn't count on it.)

As improved as the LAC O-line has been, ATL's O-line is better - especially with Drew Dalman healthy again. ATL should be able to control the LOS against an overrated and injured LAC run defense.

The rash of LB injuries leaves it up slowpokes like Nick Niemann to deal with Bijan Robinson swinging out of the backfield. This does not bode well for the Chargers. Even if Derwin James plays closer to the LOS, that would mean trash like Marcus Maye getting too much run at safety. Either way, there's going to be ample space for ATL's speedy targets.

Cousins should be pretty cozy in the pocket. Bosa and Mack are playing hurt and seriously dragging ass toward the season's finish line. London, Mooney and maybe even Pitts should all eat vs a very susceptible LAC secondary. (Asante Samuel Jr. is out for the season. Alohi Gilman and Cam Hart are OUT, while Kristian Fulton is predictably regressing. Derwin James can't be everywhere at once.)

I would have liked Herbert to keep pace in a shootout a few weeks ago, but not now. Not without Dobbins, and not with Quintin Johnston regressing back to BUST form after an unsustainably efficient start to the season. Ladd McConkey might even be banged up. (Beware the rookie wall.)

Harbaugh's records ATS off a loss and in cross-country games are impressive, but they're still just trends and are outweighed by a lot of emerging problems for the Chargers - especially in a game sandwiched between the Harbaugh Bowl and @KC in prime time next week. ATL has TB on their ass and should show up.

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Baird 53 Posts (31 )
16 day(s) 14 hour(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter - ATL was def the right side. Cousins single handedly blew that game. How bad is he slumping? Watch him try so hard in MIN (2 picks? 350 yds? IDK). The letdown from LAC was real - they gave up 5 sacks to the weakest pass rush. Luckily I teased +7 so I'm happy, but was hoping for a win cause the div race is getting too close. Now I have to find the right game to close out this teaser...


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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
20 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago

My top play this week is ATL+1.5 at home. I think the Falcons win SU. Maybe even comfortably.

It's assumed that Jim Harbaugh's strong running game/strong defense foundation will travel well vs. a team like ATL, but way too many cracks are forming in that foundation to ignore.

For Harbaugh's formula to succeed, Gus Edwards will need to bite off chunks, and I don't see that happening. He looks totally cooked. (Yeah, maybe Hassan Haskins/Kimani Vidal get plugged in and do some damage, but I wouldn't count on it.)

As improved as the LAC O-line has been, ATL's O-line is better - especially with Drew Dalman healthy again. ATL should be able to control the LOS against an overrated and injured LAC run defense.

The rash of LB injuries leaves it up slowpokes like Nick Niemann to deal with Bijan Robinson swinging out of the backfield. This does not bode well for the Chargers. Even if Derwin James plays closer to the LOS, that would mean trash like Marcus Maye getting too much run at safety. Either way, there's going to be ample space for ATL's speedy targets.

Cousins should be pretty cozy in the pocket. Bosa and Mack are playing hurt and seriously dragging ass toward the season's finish line. London, Mooney and maybe even Pitts should all eat vs a very susceptible LAC secondary. (Asante Samuel Jr. is out for the season. Alohi Gilman and Cam Hart are OUT, while Kristian Fulton is predictably regressing. Derwin James can't be everywhere at once.)

I would have liked Herbert to keep pace in a shootout a few weeks ago, but not now. Not without Dobbins, and not with Quintin Johnston regressing back to BUST form after an unsustainably efficient start to the season. Ladd McConkey might even be banged up. (Beware the rookie wall.)

Harbaugh's records ATS off a loss and in cross-country games are impressive, but they're still just trends and are outweighed by a lot of emerging problems for the Chargers - especially in a game sandwiched between the Harbaugh Bowl and @KC in prime time next week. ATL has TB on their ass and should show up.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
20 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide

My top play this week is ATL+1.5 at home. I think the Falcons win SU. Maybe even comfortably.

It's assumed that Jim Harbaugh's strong running game/strong defense foundation will travel well vs. a team like ATL, but way too many cracks are forming in that foundation to ignore.

For Harbaugh's formula to succeed, Gus Edwards will need to bite off chunks, and I don't see that happening. He looks totally cooked. (Yeah, maybe Hassan Haskins/Kimani Vidal get plugged in and do some damage, but I wouldn't count on it.)

As improved as the LAC O-line has been, ATL's O-line is better - especially with Drew Dalman healthy again. ATL should be able to control the LOS against an overrated and injured LAC run defense.

The rash of LB injuries leaves it up slowpokes like Nick Niemann to deal with Bijan Robinson swinging out of the backfield. This does not bode well for the Chargers. Even if Derwin James plays closer to the LOS, that would mean trash like Marcus Maye getting too much run at safety. Either way, there's going to be ample space for ATL's speedy targets.

Cousins should be pretty cozy in the pocket. Bosa and Mack are playing hurt and seriously dragging ass toward the season's finish line. London, Mooney and maybe even Pitts should all eat vs a very susceptible LAC secondary. (Asante Samuel Jr. is out for the season. Alohi Gilman and Cam Hart are OUT, while Kristian Fulton is predictably regressing. Derwin James can't be everywhere at once.)

I would have liked Herbert to keep pace in a shootout a few weeks ago, but not now. Not without Dobbins, and not with Quintin Johnston regressing back to BUST form after an unsustainably efficient start to the season. Ladd McConkey might even be banged up. (Beware the rookie wall.)

Harbaugh's records ATS off a loss and in cross-country games are impressive, but they're still just trends and are outweighed by a lot of emerging problems for the Chargers - especially in a game sandwiched between the Harbaugh Bowl and @KC in prime time next week. ATL has TB on their ass and should show up.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
17 day(s) 20 hour(s) ago
I stand by this call. ATL wins handily if Kirk Cousins doesn't perform like he's Earl Morrall/SBIII-level on the take.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
19 day(s) 23 hour(s) ago

Sharps on the Jets as Ian Rapoport reports Aaron Rodgers won't return to the Jets next season lol.

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20 day(s) 22 hour(s) ago - hide

My top play this week is ATL+1.5 at home. I think the Falcons win SU. Maybe even comfortably.

It's assumed that Jim Harbaugh's strong running game/strong defense foundation will travel well vs. a team like ATL, but way too many cracks are forming in that foundation to ignore.

For Harbaugh's formula to succeed, Gus Edwards will need to bite off chunks, and I don't see that happening. He looks totally cooked. (Yeah, maybe Hassan Haskins/Kimani Vidal get plugged in and do some damage, but I wouldn't count on it.)

As improved as the LAC O-line has been, ATL's O-line is better - especially with Drew Dalman healthy again. ATL should be able to control the LOS against an overrated and injured LAC run defense.

The rash of LB injuries leaves it up slowpokes like Nick Niemann to deal with Bijan Robinson swinging out of the backfield. This does not bode well for the Chargers. Even if Derwin James plays closer to the LOS, that would mean trash like Marcus Maye getting too much run at safety. Either way, there's going to be ample space for ATL's speedy targets.

Cousins should be pretty cozy in the pocket. Bosa and Mack are playing hurt and seriously dragging ass toward the season's finish line. London, Mooney and maybe even Pitts should all eat vs a very susceptible LAC secondary. (Asante Samuel Jr. is out for the season. Alohi Gilman and Cam Hart are OUT, while Kristian Fulton is predictably regressing. Derwin James can't be everywhere at once.)

I would have liked Herbert to keep pace in a shootout a few weeks ago, but not now. Not without Dobbins, and not with Quintin Johnston regressing back to BUST form after an unsustainably efficient start to the season. Ladd McConkey might even be banged up. (Beware the rookie wall.)

Harbaugh's records ATS off a loss and in cross-country games are impressive, but they're still just trends and are outweighed by a lot of emerging problems for the Chargers - especially in a game sandwiched between the Harbaugh Bowl and @KC in prime time next week. ATL has TB on their ass and should show up.

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Baird 53 Posts (31 )
20 day(s) 2 hour(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter - the drop off from Dobbins to Edwards cant be ignored and the Harbaugh bowl on MNF naturally leads to a letdown from LA. Playing at home, off a bye screams ATL. I hope you're right because I have a big ticket for ATL to win their div. GL
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
21 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

"I suck at betting AZ & NO "

Same here. But I think I may have finally figured the Cardinals out. (As for the Saints - they had their little, new rah-rah coach, pre-bye fun. I think the Rams beat them in workmanlike fashion.)

ARI GM Monti Ossenfort and Jonathan Gannon were great hires. They're establishing culture the right way and the arrow is pointing up for the organization. So when they face teams that are poorly coached (those pre-bye Ws vs. MIA, CHI and NYJ perfect examples), they TCB - especially if the opponent struggles vs. the run. Otherwise, the Cardinals can be had. They just don't have a very talented depth chart (especially on defense) and it catches up to them when they face teams with a good coaching staff. You take away Conner, and the offense becomes little more than McBride-or-bust, as none of the WRS have been able to create separation or YAC this season. Petzing's scheme has grown predictable and has shackled Murray. (One game above 21 rushing yards since Week 5.) The interior O-line is a glaring weakness and was fully exposed by SEA.

The Vikings are extremely well-coached and nails vs. the run. ARI doesn't match up well at all. As for the Flores blitz vs. Murray angle, I'm calling for variance. I would bet MIN if not for the Pace injury and my distrust of Sam Darnold.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
21 day(s) 10 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

Niners are just decimated, while the Bills are getting Milano back and are near full health (Kincaid). The only pro-SF angles I can muster up are Shanahan's sparkling post-Halloween record, it's must-win time for the Niners (while BUF has the AFC East in the bag), Jaylon Moore has been somewhat decent in relief of Trent Williams at LT, and SF gets a boost with Purdy likely back. (Although Walt's "bet against the obviously injured QB" angle is rock solid.) Niners are always a threat with McCaffrey, Samuel, Kittle and Jennings (although I'm beginning to wonder if McCaffrey's wheels are shot), but BUF just has such a pronounced advantage in the trenches in this one. On top of all that...lake-effect snow. This just might be a lost season for the Niners. Any given Sunday - but it takes a good amount of mental gymnastics to not think BUF is a clean play, especially teased to SU. 

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
21 day(s) 11 hour(s) ago

@xndrshadow 

Milroe might be the Anthony Richardson, "upside" prospect.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
21 day(s) 11 hour(s) ago

@carettirichard 

I'm not sure about Sanders as a #1 overall-type prospect, but we all know about the draft and QB supply-and-demand. I think he'll separate from the pack - I don't think Ward or Milroe won't go as high as currently projected after they get picked apart during the pre-draft process. Pretty sure JAX sticks with T-Law, but you never know, and it's fun to speculate.

For what it's worth, I think Mason Graham would be a great fit for JAX. They need an interior difference-maker to complement Josh Hines-Allen and Travon Walker. Graham would also be a clean, "culture" pick for the new coaching staff. If JAX gets the 1st pick and can move down a few spots for a bunch of picks and still get graham, that would be tits.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
23 day(s) 0 hour(s) ago

@Karensman 

Ohio resident here. Seems like the Burrow/wrist quotes are being overblown a bit. He basically just said that - in the past - cold weather has had an affect on his injuries, which is just kinda "duh". He said he "could have been better" throwing in practice, but "I/we could have been better" is his weekly default answer for everything, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
23 day(s) 0 hour(s) ago

@Walt

For your MIA/GB PPB & SGP, are you sure there will be enough passing goodness to go around for the RBs, TEs and Watson?

Forecast at Lambeau is calling for freezing temps, 10-15mph sustained winds with 25mph gusts. Both teams have been leaning into the run heavily lately and the weather forecast should only turn that up to 11. The MIA pass defense controls lid-lifters (4th-fewest YPPA), while the GB offense over the last four weeks is tops in rush rate in the red zone. Deep passes and RZ jump balls are how Watson makes his money. Just feels like the kinda game script that leaves Watson with one of his 2-20-0 stat lines. 

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@Baird 

How dare you pooh-pooh the great Dan Skipper!

I want so badly to throw some cabbage at CHI. Offense is ramping up a bit since the Waldron firing and return of some O-line starters...Moore/Allen/Odunze vs. those DET CBs...could be CHI's Super Bowl...it all screams back door. Then I remember Campbell vs. Eberflus. And like you said, CHI may be running on fumes.

The injuries don't seem to be letting up for SF. New reports say Fred Warner has a fractured ankle (would explain those uncharacteristic missed tackles lately), and Trent Williams was just seen in the SF locker room using a knee scooter. Reportedly, he "can barely walk" and is probably dealing with an Achilles injury. Not good. Both are likely trending more toward trips to the IR than returns to health.

Niners are just getting eaten alive by the injury bug. Beginning to wonder if there's something to that Super Bowl Loser Curse stuff.

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23 day(s) 12 hour(s) ago

@Baird 

Hubbard sucks so, so bad. Two starts: 7 pressures allowed to TB, and 12 (!!!) pressures allowed to PIT in WK 8. Parsons is cleared for takeoff.

Your UNDER is definitely the play. Could we see a 0-0 tie?

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I don't buy the Cardinals as a great team. Screw the net adjusted EPA.

Great teams aren't flat off a bye when they're going into a divisional matchup for first place.

Kyler Murray isn't playing well right now. I recently read an article describing Murray as "deluxe Daniel Jones". That might not be too far off. Six seasons in, and we're still waiting for Murray to blossom.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
23 day(s) 21 hour(s) ago

@akowahl

LDE L.J. Collier

NT Roy Lopez

RDE Dante Stills

LOLB Baron Browning

WLB Kyzir White

MLB Mack Wilson Sr.

ROLB Zaven Collins

LCB Sean Murphy-Bunting

SS Dadrion Taylor-Demerson

FS Budda Baker

RCB Starling Thomas V

NB Garrett Williams

With the exception of Budda Baker and maybe Garrett Williams, there isn't a player on this depth chart that would start for the MIN defense. Gannon/Rallis have done a remarkable job of overcoming injuries and scheming to the strengths of what they have to work with, but schematic smoke-and-mirrors can mask such a glaring lack of talent for only so long.

ARI would have lost to SEA - bye or no bye - because their recent success isn't sustainable. The Chargers are the only team ARI has beaten that likely makes the playoffs, and ARI's only convincing pre-bye wins were at home over CHI and NYJ - teams that were at-or-near rock bottom and can't stop the run.

Six years into the career of a former #1 overall pick, "efficient" shouldn't be okay. Especially when efficient really just means dump-offs to Trey McBride when the running game is clicking. Where is that Murray dual-threat action? Where is the connection with MHJ? We've only seen flashes, so why should I assume Murray will just turn it on when teams bottle up Conner, as SEA did and MIN will likely do?

All that said...you could easily be right about ARI winning. As you suggested, the Vikings are kinda fraudulent, too, and Sam Darnold is never to be trusted. (For what it's worth, the Ivan Pace Jr. injury and rock-the-boat signing of Daniel Jones has me leaning ARI ATS.) But a win over MIN wouldn't convince me that ARI is a great or even good team, and only push them that much more into overrated - not underrated - territory, IMO.

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I don't buy the Cardinals as a great team. Screw the net adjusted EPA.

Great teams aren't flat off a bye when they're going into a divisional matchup for first place.

Kyler Murray isn't playing well right now. I recently read an article describing Murray as "deluxe Daniel Jones". That might not be too far off. Six seasons in, and we're still waiting for Murray to blossom.

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I don't buy the Cardinals as a great team. Screw the net adjusted EPA.

Great teams aren't flat off a bye when they're going into a divisional matchup for first place.

Kyler Murray isn't playing well right now. I recently read an article describing Murray as "deluxe Daniel Jones". That might not be too far off. Six seasons in, and we're still waiting for Murray to blossom.

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akowahl 0 Posts (0)
24 day(s) 9 hour(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter The bye is a doubled edged sword, it works great if you are coming off a loss or multiple losses. Gives you time to get things in order.

Doesn't work so hot if it kills your momentum and are on a win streak like the Cards were.

To say that a team isn't good/great because they lost against a good divisional team (that you yourself view as under rated) is a little short sighted and nothing for the Cards to hang their head about.

Also Kyler didn't have a good game vs a Seattle defense that's pretty good, but before that during their 4 game win streak there are plenty of articles and opinions that he's been playing his most efficient football of his career. 

Cards will win outright and expose the Vikings this week.

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25 day(s) 2 hour(s) ago
TEN +6 is tempting. Jayden Daniels is injured and struggling, and WAS could be without Andrew Wylie, Brian Robinson and Austin Ekeler.
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TEN +6 is tempting. Jayden Daniels is injured and struggling, and WAS could be without Andrew Wylie, Brian Robinson and Austin Ekeler.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
24 day(s) 16 hour(s) ago

@Karensman 

Agreed - tough week. I like KC, TB, BUF and DEN to TCB, but those spreads are right about where they should be.

I really want to continue fading ARI (overrated, IMO), but - as you said - MIN is also overrated.

MIN just put Ivan Pace, Jr. on I.R. - an underrated blow to that defense. Phillips/Cashman/Pace has been a run defense Bermuda Triangle all season. Interested to see if cracks emerge and Conner finds a little daylight.

TEN will probably be my play this week. I know that banking on Levis to string together any amount of mistake-free games is asking for trouble, but I think there is still a little meat on that WAS bone. Daniels seems to be favoring his ribs, and we're at that point in the season where even the best of rookies meet the wall. I'm also not too concerned about TEN's situation at CB, as McLaurin is WAS's only threat at WR and can be doubled.

During NFL Draft season, my concern with Daniels as a prospect was that his playing style/lack of body armor would lead to annual injuries and late-season regression. Still believe that to be the case. He's just so skinny.

Agree on HOU/JAX. HOU is overvalued, but are we supposed to bet on Mac Jones with Will Anderson and Danielle Hunter in his face?

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TEN +6 is tempting. Jayden Daniels is injured and struggling, and WAS could be without Andrew Wylie, Brian Robinson and Austin Ekeler.
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Karensman 26 Posts (10 )
24 day(s) 17 hour(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter : I agree that TEN + 6 appears tempting. I don't know if Daniels is still hurt or that Wash is regressing to the mean, but I'm not interested in wagering on them at this time. Not thrilled with this week's schedule; I couldn't lay 4 points with DAL against a good college team and there appears to be traps all over the place. Are you confident in laying 3 with the RAMS on the road in NO ? I'm leaning towards the Cards + 3 1/2 but that is more a fade against the overrated Vikings than an endorsement of the Cards. The wrong team is favored in the Bengal-Steeler game, and I'm interested in the DOL + 3 1/2 but not at - 3. I'm not confident that the TEXANS should be favored by - 5 on the road but want no part of the Jags without Lawrence. Tough week to lay points and not really a great week to take underdogs. Might be a good week to watch !     
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@v2micca 

Ardent Jets fan here. You are 100% right. The Jets are receiving nothing but negative press right now. If/when Rodgers is benched or injured, the switch to Tyrod Taylor might actually push the Jets toward underrated territory. Even at 35, Taylor probably still has functional mobility - which Rodgers absolutely doesn't anymore.

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26 day(s) 23 hour(s) ago

TEN +7.5

CHI +3

NE +7.5

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@Baird 

The more I think about it, the more confident I am that this is going to be a "bad Jameis" game. All the signs are there: Crappy weather...Chubb and Conklin shells of their former selves...no viable LT vs. a PIT defense that has been letting T.J. Watt pick his spots against both edges...Minkah Fitzpatrick waaay overdue for a pick-six...a potential feast for Harris/Warren vs. a JO-Kless CLE defense that has forgotten how to tackle...it could get ugly. So much so that PIT might get comfortably ahead, ease up, and let Winston feed Njoku for some garbage time goodness or something. I like PIT and the OVER.

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@Baird 

I'm glad you said that about the Cowboys. Thought I was alone in sensing emerging value with DAL, even with their two-headed abomination at QB.

As you said, a lot of key contributors are filtering back into the DAL lineup. However, Jake Ferguson, Zach Martin and Tyler Smith not practicing has me worried that it may just be one step forward, two steps back for the Cowboys, and that would be in line with the Murphy's Law-type season they're having. (I read that parts of the AT&T Stadium roof were falling onto the field Monday. Things are literally falling apart for Jerry Jones.)

Still, I'm very tempted to take the plunge with DAL +10.5 @WAS. At this juncture, I think DAL might be sneaking into undervalued territory, while I'm confident WAS is a bit overvalued right now. (Daniels is hurt and barely moving around back there. He hasn't been right in weeks.) If I'm right, I wanna get out ahead of it.

DAL has been taking snot-bubble beatings at home this season, but they're keeping games within six points on the road...rivalry game where DAL officially has nothing to lose and WAS may be feeling pressure to keep up in the WC race...just feeling a DAL cover if Martin and Smith play.

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@Karensman 

Nick Chubb is a month shy of his 29th birthday. That's old relative to RBs, and Chubb is a very old 29. Last season's leg injury was vomit-inducing, and he had an equally gross leg injury in college.

Chubb is the heart and soul of the team - so his return has some short-term "good vibes" value - but he just doesn't look the same. Given his age/mileage, I think it would be a miracle if he ever will.

As for Stafford - yeah, everyone in the NFL is playing hurt to some degree, but not all injuries are equal. From what I've gathered, Stafford's main issue is his back - and back issues are often career-killers. Stafford is approaching 37. He's still a high-level QB, but It just feels like he's on borrowed time.

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1 month(s) 1 day(s) ago

@carettirichard 

Once Doug Pederson is fired, I'm guessing JAX will sell the fan base on the idea that Pederson's awful coaching, a bad O-line and injuries are what have been holding Lawrence back. Pretty sure he gets a fresh start in '25. He just turned 25.

I don't think JAX is a long ways from being competitive. (Especially in the AFC South.) They have some talented young building blocks at important positions (WR1, EDGE1 and 2, CB1). With better coaching and some O-line and DT upgrades they could rebound in '25.

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@Baird 

The rain/wind should be advantageous for PIT. It only strengthens the Boswell>Hopkins angle.

I think Nick Chubb may be cooked; if Winston has to throw it around, the TOs could easily pile up for CLE. Harris/Warren were biting off chunks vs. BAL, so running on CLE should be no problem.

I'm liking CHI as a home dog. Very often, mid-season coordinator firings are just a case of somebody taking the fall for organization-wide problems, but in the case of Shane Waldron, I think he really was the problem. The Bears should improve going forward, and I don't trust Sam Darnold in this spot.

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@Baird 

Yeah, you're right. Hopkins was pretty good for a while after replacing York, but he's gone right back to being the same bad kicker he was before coming to CLE. Meanwhile, Boswell is a machine. Even if Myles Garrett dominates vs. PIT (which he usually does), the game likely comes down to ST. Betting CLE is probably getting too cute.

Any early leans?

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@Baird 

Freakin' Taysom Hill, man. Feels like he's been around since 2002, and he's one of those Mormon mission BYU grads...how is he not like 47 years old? Spends most of his time injured, only popping up to go nuclear when it ruins NO's draft position and absolutely screws me in betting and DFS tournaments. I wish he'd just stop.

Just piss-poor special teams and overall tackling from CLE. Rare quiet game from Myles Garrett. I still think CLE was the right side, although I probably underrated the absence of JO-K. He would have come in handy in limiting Hill.

I'm probably a glutton for punishment, but I'm sniffing around CLE +4 at home vs. PIT. Feels like a trap game for the Steelers.

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@Baird

Keep in mind that when I handicap the Rams, the possibility that Stafford is more injured than anyone realizes is always baked in.

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@Baird 

As a Rams fan, how do you like their WC chances? I'm having trouble getting a read on them. Unprepared and mistake-prone was what I expected from MIA, not the Rams. Just feels like there's some angle I'm missing that might have them overvalued right now. Youth? So many of their key contributors are 1st/2nd year guys...

I think the Havenstein injury could be a real problem vs. the Pats. Keion White and Deatrich Wise are a quietly dominant tag team at LDE.

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1 month(s) 10 day(s) ago - hide

PIT, IND win SU.

LAC, ATL, NYJ win in blowouts.

Feeling TB and HOU covers.

Happy hunting, gentlemen.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 month(s) 6 day(s) ago

@Baird 

Everyone is acting as if ATL winning the NFC South is a forgone conclusion. Even with ATL's sweep of TB, I'm not so sure about that.

ATL's next three: @DEN/LAC/@MIN

TB's next three: @NYG/@CAR/LV

The Bucs could easily pull ahead of ATL in the NFC South as soon as early December.

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1 month(s) 10 day(s) ago

PIT, IND win SU.

LAC, ATL, NYJ win in blowouts.

Feeling TB and HOU covers.

Happy hunting, gentlemen.

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PIT, IND win SU.

LAC, ATL, NYJ win in blowouts.

Feeling TB and HOU covers.

Happy hunting, gentlemen.

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Baird 53 Posts (31 )
1 month(s) 6 day(s) ago

@Mr.Bitter - "TB is still undervalued"

I agree completely
1. They have wins against good teams - WAS, DET & PHI
2. The losses arent bad - DEN (letdown game), ATL (should have split) + BAL, KC & SF

The bye came at the right time - Evans & Tykee should be back by 11/24, Otton has come on strong and the fight in Mayfield is impressive. The rest of their schedule is cake, except @ LAC.

Remaining favored - NYG, CAR (twice), LVR, DAL & NO.

TB > 8.5 wins (2U to win 2)

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@Karensman 

Betting the Browns is icky, but a few things:

Stefanski is a solid coach, IMO. No coach would have succeeded in the situation management forced upon him with the Watson signing.

I don't know much about Darren Rizzi, but I know this: Teams almost always get a pronounced one-game bump upon an in-season coaching change. Even with that bump, the Saints still would have lost at home to an obviously flat ATL squad had it not been for some last-minute clock mismanagement by the Falcons and three missed Younghoe Koo FGs. Like Marquez Valdez-Scantling's stat line, that victory was an obvious fluke.

Kamara may be the best offensive weapon in this matchup, but beyond him, it's crap like MVS, Foster Moreau and some guy called Mason Tipton for the Saints. I'll take Njoku, a healthy Chubb/Ford RB tag team, and the Tillman/Jeudy/Moore WR trio over what the Saints are trotting out any day. (Small sample size, but since CLE traded Amari Cooper, Cedric Tillman is second only to Ja'Marr Chase by many WR performance metrics.) The Saints - already down C Erik McCoy - may also be without the left side of their O-line for this one. The NO offensive depth chart is a disaster.

As for MIA - I'm not sure how legit Monday's win was. Not sure if a game vs. a team as untalented and poorly-coached as LV will provide us any clarity, either. Kinda wait-and-see with MIA. Tua isn't pushing the ball downfield, Tyreek is obviously hurt, and the Austin Jackson injury means a RT Kendall Lamm vs. LDE Maxx Crosby glaring mismatch. A Raiders win wouldn't shock me, but I'm not touching that game.

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1 month(s) 7 day(s) ago

@Karensman 

Almost forgot: KC/BUF - Leaning KC but probably just gonna sit back and enjoy. The media consensus seems to be that KC has smoke-and-mirrored their way to 9-0 and their fun stops Sunday. Fair, but I wonder if that narrative is just enough blood in the water for Reid/Mahomes. Also not liking BUF possibly down Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid in an all-hands-on-deck game.

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@Karensman 

Regarding the CIN/LAC spread - I think bettors are still leaning hard into the "this is a must-win for the Bengals" angle. It's an obvious and fair take, but it can be argued that CIN has been close to (or even in) must-win territory for weeks now, yet they continue laying eggs. Expecting this week to be the week the Bengals suddenly flip the switch is starting to feel like definition of insanity from a betting perspective. Joe Burrow is playing as well as can possibly be expected, yet CIN keeps coming out flat and losing. The CIN O-line sucks, the defense is a one-man show (Hendrickson), and Zac Taylor just can't light a fire under his team while being a miserable in-game manager. All the evidence says that CIN just isn't very good, yet bettors are falling into the trap of valuing them by what they should be instead of what they are.

My top play is CLE. I think the Browns win SU - maybe even comfortably - so getting any points is a gift. The Saints used up all their "We finally fired our crappy coach!" mojo last week and will come down to earth. Matchup wise, all signs point to a "Good Jameis" game (CLE offense getting healthy, gutted NO secondary) and domination from Myles Garrett (injured/weak NO tackles). 

I'm passing on BAL/PIT. Always tight rivalry game that could easily hinge on some in-game injury or suspect calls (as you suggested). However, I'm not comfortable with the recent Russell Wilson hype and could see him fade a bit, not unlike Justin Fields' early-season rise and fall. Just a hunch - not bettable just yet.

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PIT, IND win SU.

LAC, ATL, NYJ win in blowouts.

Feeling TB and HOU covers.

Happy hunting, gentlemen.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 month(s) 9 day(s) ago

@Baird 

You got lucky with KC - I got lucky with TB. I'll take it, but - honestly - I stuck with my "TB is still undervalued" angle that had been profitable all season one week too long. SF should have won that game by double digits. I still think the Bucs could be a thorn in other teams' sides down the stretch, but I'm off them for a while (especially with the Wirfs injury).

SF looks poised to get a lather going, but I still don't believe they're quite what they're cracked up to be. Placekicker is a serious problem, the right side of their O-line is weak and that defensive depth chart is thoroughly mediocre beyond Warner and Bosa. They feel like a playoff upset victim waiting to happen.

IND was my least-confident play. I knew there was a good chance that Flacco may have already fallen off the cliff, and it appears he has. I mistakenly ignored that hunch while leaning too hard into the BUF look-ahead angle. BUF is just so well-coached. McDermott/Allen seem to have a poor man's Belichick/Brady thing going where they can plug anybody into auxiliary roles and just keep rolling along.

I just flat-out whiffed on the Jets (and Cardinals). AGAIN. Both teams have been radioactive for me all year, yet I keep flushing money down those toilets. As a Jets fan, I should have known that they won't beat a decent team until it's later in the season and it's in a situation that will knock them out of draft position to finally get a franchise QB. It's just what they do.

Still not sold on ARI. Their success isn't sustainable given the talent level on that defensive depth chart. I'll die on that hill. They won't finish ahead of the 49ers or Rams, and I'll very likely be heavy on SEA in Week 12.

Yeah, Conner is RB2 on my fantasy team and I figured his numbers would begin to even out, especially with Benson inevitably getting more run regardless of game script.

Your CLE lean looks rock solid. It's common for teams to get that initial bump from an in-season coaching change, especially when the axed coach was thoroughly hated and the interim coach is a likeable rah-rah type like Pierce/Rizzi. The Saints will undoubtedly come right back down to earth. Taliese Fuaga was injured and Trevor Penning sucks in pass pro; the Falcons simply don't have rushers capable of taking advantage, but Myles Garrett will take turns on both edges and wreak havoc.

Always appreciate your input and congrats on a nice week. GL going forward.

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PIT, IND win SU.

LAC, ATL, NYJ win in blowouts.

Feeling TB and HOU covers.

Happy hunting, gentlemen.

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Baird 53 Posts (31 )
1 month(s) 10 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter  - good call on TB/HOU covers (even w Collins out). You guys were spot on w/ Ind for a while, but BUF is for real. I do like IND next week knowing Jets season is done. Wish I stuck to my HUGE bet idea on AZ. Oh well, teasers still came through.

Hope you made money this week. I got lucky w/ KC and lost a few on Conner. Overall +9.4 today

Looking ahead - teasing CLE 8.5 vs Saints. I looked back to Antonio Pierce in 2023 after they showed up vs NYG

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@carettirichard 

DET's coaching staff is operating at another level right now. I thought the Hutchinson injury would take the wind out of their sails...nope. I thought the Branch ejection would swing the game in GB's favor...nope. DET doesn't do excuses. Such a tough-minded team.

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@Baird 

I think BUF is most likely to be the weird one that loses. The Bills are no doubt the better team with better coaching, but the Dolphins just plain score a lot of points when Tua is under center. This is also must-win time for MIA, whereas BUF is so comfortably ahead in the AFC East that there may already be a need to manufacture motivation. The true QUESTIONABLE tags for Amari Cooper and Christian Benford are also concerning if you're on BUF.

I can't back ARI with any confidence, even with all of the O-line problems and defensive injuries for CHI. The ARI defense is just so untalented. While their 4-4 record is commendable considering their SOS, it still feels like a flimsy 4-4. That defense will start hemorrhaging points at any moment. 

Tough slate. I could go either way on most of the games this weekend. The most solid bets are ATL -3 and PHI -7.5, IMO. I'm kinda liking CLE as a home dog and definitely liking DET as a road favorite. (DET is a tough-minded team built to control the LOS, so the "Goff/dome team" angle as overblown, IMO. DET could easily dominate the trenches in what is shaping up to be a slop fest, especially with GB center Josh Myers DOUBTFUL.)

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@WFDevTeam 

That is in all seriousness an excellent point.

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@Karensman 

IND/MIN jumped out at me too - especially with the Darrisaw injury - but I've hesitated knowing the Vikings might get Blake Cashman and T.J. Hockenson back. There's serious potential for a "last team with the ball wins" game with Flacco replacing Richardson, and it feels like I'm usually on the wrong side of those games. I saw the Richardson benching coming about the time he checked himself out of the game vs. HOU, and just went with the OVER on 45.5. Could easily clear 50, IMO.

I'm going to continue to fade the Jets until it's not profitable. Every "Which Teams Will Turn Their Season Around In The Second Half?" article I've read this week has the Jets at the top of the list, which tells me that the public still can't wrap their head around the idea that the Jets are no more than exactly what they appear to be. There's still meat on that bone.

The (hostage) situation with NYJ/Rodgers is similar to CLE/Watson was in that everything is predicated on the QB holding up his end of the bargain, otherwise everything falls apart. It doesn't matter if the Jets sign all of Rodgers' BFFs and every 2019 NFC Pro Bowler - if Rodgers is drastically compromised by age/injury (which is becoming more apparent by the week) then the season is lost, especially with Rodgers apparently resisting treatment in favor of "cayenne and water' home treatment. (Wish I was kidding.)

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@carettirichard 

Yeah, I've been here forever and I've never seen evidence of Eagles bias. It's weird that it keeps getting mentioned.

I'm guessing the rash of injuries on defense and at WR is Walt's main reason for TB's low ranking, and that's fair. Still, having the Bucs at 27 - below CLE, JAX and NO - is nuts. The Bucs have beaten DET, WAS and PHI for chrissakes. They'll likely drop their next two (KC, SF), but their schedule to close out the season is Charmin-soft. (NYG, CAR twice, LV, NO, DAL) Assuming they get Evans and a few DBs healthy for the stretch run, the Bucs are still a competitive team capable of a winning record.

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@Karensman 

Cousins is a good play. Murray has become too unpredictable.

ATL/TB has definite shootout potential, even without Godwin/Evans. The Falcons have no pass rush and no Justin Simmons means more room over the middle/downfield. I have a hunch the Bucs paste together an effective passing game with swings to R. White (he's much better in that role than as a rusher) and a ton of stuff over the middle to Otton, McMillan and maybe even Sterling Shepard. (Shepard was Mayfield's security blanket at Oklahoma. They have history.)

GL and enjoy

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@Baird 

Still love the Colts. I got them at +5.5, and - unless I'm missing something - would take them in a heartbeat at the current +4.5. I'm with Walt - IND could easily win outright.

HOU can be had up the gut, especially now with the injuries at LB and S. I'm assuming the IND coaching staff is smart enough to put designed runs for Anthony Richardson back on the menu. If so, AR and Taylor should be able to control the clock. Worse case scenario is Richardson craps the bed and gets benched for Flacco, in which case Pittman and Downs eat. Either way, the Colts should make it a game.

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@Baird 

Yeah, trends don't last forever and every game is different. I only consider trends when I've exhausted every other possible angle and all things are equal.

The Parsons/Bland news sobered me up. That, and the realization that DAL - at 3-3 - likely isn't in "must win" mode yet. That could be next week @ ATL. My initial lean just feels a week too early. Should Parsons and/or Bland return @ ATL, I'll probably be on the Cowboys.

I still think the 49ers are slightly overrated, but the Cowboys are really hurting. There was talk of Tyler Smith sticking at LT - which I liked - but it looks like DAL will continue to ride out Guyton's growing pains. Bosa could easily go nuclear on Guyton/Steele. A dominant Bosa game, a healthy dose of Jordan Mason (DAL has no answer vs. the run) and a sprinkle of Kittle should be enough for something like a 26-20 SF win.

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@Baird 

Was also surprised by no mention of Gardeck.

The ARI defense officially has no pass rush, and - no offense to Dennis Gardeck - the fact that Gardeck was the front seven defender ARI could least afford to lose shows just how little talent they have. Take away Budda Baker and that's little better than a practice squad-quality depth chart.

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UPDATE: Parsons and Bland are OUT for DAL, with Kendricks questionable. The forecast is now calling for 10-15 MPH winds, so weather shouldn't be too much of a problem. Seriously questioning my DAL pick now, especially after reading a deep dive into DAL's extreme vulnerability to outside zone running schemes. Also worried about Nick Bosa taking turns on DAL's turnstile OTs.

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@WFDevTeam 

That's what I mean. As bad as the Patriots are, that +7 at home vs. the Jets is tempting too.

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@WFDevTeam 

So Panthers over Broncos it is.

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@Mr. Football  

The Prescott Cowboys always seem to play their best when the least is expected of them, and their worst when everyone thinks they've finally turned the corner to "SB contender".

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@Karensman 

Regarding Cooper Kupp - I think the Rams are trying to maximize his trade value before the Nov. 5 deadline. Get him as healthy as possible for a high-volume showcase game tonight, then sell high. Maybe squeeze a 3rd-rounder from a slot WR-needy team like PIT or something.

Yeah, Baker Mayfield's slim MVP chances may have evaporated with the Godwin injury. Godwin's slot role is the fulcrum of Liam Coen's scheme. Huge loss. If any NFC QB will challenge Lamar Jackson/Patrick Mahomes for MVP it's probably Jared Goff at this point. Longshot though. (I'm guessing Lamar gets his third. Feels like he's on a mission.)

My favorite plays this week are IND and DAL.

I caught IND +5.5 figuring that line would tighten up once/if Jonathan Taylor and DeForest Buckner are cleared to play. Even if they don't, the HOU defense is soft up the middle and severely banged up right now, and the offense is in an awful rut without Nico Collins. IND could easily win SU.

Caught DAL +4.5. That line could tighten, too. (Bland, Parsons, Kendricks, Deebo) There's value in fading SF right now, IMO. They're still being priced closer to recent 49ers vintage than what they actually are right now. Their offense is injury-plagued, their defense is susceptible and they have a real problem at kicker. With 25-30 MPH winds in the forecast, Aubrey could give DAL a huge advantage in this one - assuming he doesn't miss the game for jury duty. 

I still like the LAC's Wild Card chances, especially once their CBs and WRs get healthy. Beyond BUF/BAL/HOU/KC, the AFC is a jumble. I think PIT and DEN will cool down and have seen no indication that Jeff Ulbrich and Aaron Rodgers are capable of turning the Jets around.

The Titans just suck. Ran Carthon is making all the wrong decisions, from letting Mike Vrabel go to overpaying for Spagnuolo scheme-specific fool's gold L'Jarius Sneed.

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At this point, a bet on CLE is a bet that the DEF/ST will score a TD or two. The offense flat-out doesn't score points. How long before Myles Garrett and company tap out?

It's like a restaurant where the line cooks are constantly getting slammed while the grossly overpaid chef does nothing but sit in his office getting hand j*bs from waitresses. Eventually the cooks are gonna lay down their spatulas and tongs and walk out.

CIN 38 CLE 12

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@Mr. Bitter: I had forgot that Baker used to be the QB for Cleveland. He was good but not great but the Browns fell in love with Watson and gave up the 'farm' to acquire him and set the franchise back for an extended period of time. Yes, Baker has improved and was having an incredible season, but he just lost his top 2 receivers which will probably kill his MVP chances. If he is as good as I think he is; he could still be a 'wager on' QB until the oddsmakers catch up.     
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At this point, a bet on CLE is a bet that the DEF/ST will score a TD or two. The offense flat-out doesn't score points. How long before Myles Garrett and company tap out?

It's like a restaurant where the line cooks are constantly getting slammed while the grossly overpaid chef does nothing but sit in his office getting hand j*bs from waitresses. Eventually the cooks are gonna lay down their spatulas and tongs and walk out.

CIN 38 CLE 12

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Name the five teams better than the Ravens.
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@Mr. Bitter 

I like that there are only four ahead of them in this week's power rankings.

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Too many QBs in the top-15. By draft day, there will likely be three top-15 QB possibilities at most; Sanders, Milroe (Anthony Richardson-type upside swing/reach) and maybe Ward.

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"This is Cleveland's Super Bowl"

Teams don't trade their best offensive weapon right before the Super Bowl.

The Bengals/Giants game was NY's Super Bowl (Daboll went for it on seemingly every 4th down), yet CIN - in a flat spot off an OT heartbreaker to BAL - still managed to cover. At 2-4, CIN is still in must-win mode while CLE is already trading vets in preparation for a post-Watson rebuild.

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UPDATE:

On Thursday, Browns DE Za'Darius Smith was asked by a reporter about the possibility of being traded to Detroit.

"I didn't even know about it. I'm trying to stay positive; but now that you say that, Detroit might be a good look, a good feel for me...hopefully we can get a win this week and get back on the right track...But if I was to go to Detroit, I would like it"

I tell ya, these Browns seem absolutely focused like a laser on their upcoming Super Bowl vs. the Bengals.

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"This is Cleveland's Super Bowl"

Teams don't trade their best offensive weapon right before the Super Bowl.

The Bengals/Giants game was NY's Super Bowl (Daboll went for it on seemingly every 4th down), yet CIN - in a flat spot off an OT heartbreaker to BAL - still managed to cover. At 2-4, CIN is still in must-win mode while CLE is already trading vets in preparation for a post-Watson rebuild.

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@Karensman 

With you on the LAC/ARI OVER.

We know about ARI's defense, but they also happen to be the worst defense vs. explosive runs, and JK Dobbins just happens to be near the top of the league in explosive run %...with Slater and Alt now healthy. The Chargers will run at will.

On the other side, LAC are near the bottom in explosive passing plays allowed, and might be without their top 3 CBs and likely without LOLB Joey Bosa to take advantage of ARI's O-line weak link at RT. Murray is overdue an eruption. I think that 44 gets dusted.

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At this point, a bet on CLE is a bet that the DEF/ST will score a TD or two. The offense flat-out doesn't score points. How long before Myles Garrett and company tap out?

It's like a restaurant where the line cooks are constantly getting slammed while the grossly overpaid chef does nothing but sit in his office getting hand j*bs from waitresses. Eventually the cooks are gonna lay down their spatulas and tongs and walk out.

CIN 38 CLE 12

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@raindoggg 

Waitress shaming. Tsk tsk. DO. BETTER.

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At this point, a bet on CLE is a bet that the DEF/ST will score a TD or two. The offense flat-out doesn't score points. How long before Myles Garrett and company tap out?

It's like a restaurant where the line cooks are constantly getting slammed while the grossly overpaid chef does nothing but sit in his office getting hand j*bs from waitresses. Eventually the cooks are gonna lay down their spatulas and tongs and walk out.

CIN 38 CLE 12

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@Karensman 

Not a comedian, just find humor to be a more fun and effective way of making a point than the usual antagonistic dialogue seen online.

Baker Mayfield is the QB I'm talking about. CLE did him dirty upon signing Watson.

Mayfield is the best QB in the NFC right now. Mahomes and Allen are commonly at the top of MVP race lists, but Mayfield has been more productive by every metric. I get that there's more to winning the MVP than raw numbers, but check this out:

Mayfield leads the NFL in TD passes (15) by three. (Mahomes has 10 TD passes, Allen has 6.)

Mayfield is 4th in the NFL in completion % at 70.9. (Mahomes 69.4, Allen 62.8)

Mayfield is 2nd in the NFL in QBR. (109.4, just behind Joe Burrow's 110.2 - Mahomes 88.9, Allen 106.8)

But what about the stuff Mahomes and Allen can do with their legs/off-platform?

Mayfield is averaging 6.5 Rushing YPC, with 2 rushing TDs. (Lamar Jackson is averaging 6.3 YPC with 2 TD, Allen 5.1 YPC, Mahomes 3.6 YPC. Mayfield is behind only Kyler Murray's ridiculous 8.7 in YPC)

Mayfield's stats aren't just empty calories. He's coming up big in clutch moments and winning games, often despite an injury-wrecked defense and ineffective running game. It's not a fluke - his improvement over the last two seasons has been easily observable. Basically, his career arc is the direct opposite of Watson's, adding one more to the scroll of reasons the Watson signing has been catastrophic for the Browns and made them an unwagerable team.

Sorry, but I'm hoping Flacco starts. Got Josh Downs FLEXing on my fantasy team. Looks like it'll be Richardson though. GL on your end.

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At this point, a bet on CLE is a bet that the DEF/ST will score a TD or two. The offense flat-out doesn't score points. How long before Myles Garrett and company tap out?

It's like a restaurant where the line cooks are constantly getting slammed while the grossly overpaid chef does nothing but sit in his office getting hand j*bs from waitresses. Eventually the cooks are gonna lay down their spatulas and tongs and walk out.

CIN 38 CLE 12

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@Karensman I think he's a waitress actually.  
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At this point, a bet on CLE is a bet that the DEF/ST will score a TD or two. The offense flat-out doesn't score points. How long before Myles Garrett and company tap out?

It's like a restaurant where the line cooks are constantly getting slammed while the grossly overpaid chef does nothing but sit in his office getting hand j*bs from waitresses. Eventually the cooks are gonna lay down their spatulas and tongs and walk out.

CIN 38 CLE 12

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@Mr. Bitter: I'm short on time so I have to make this quick but are you a comedian or joke writer for one ? Not only is your analysis very informative but I spilled my coffee this morning laughing because it was hilarious. I have one quick question though : who is the QB that Cleveland kicked to the curb that is a candidate for MVP ? Are you talking Flacco ? BYW, I'm hoping that the Colts go back to Richardson this week. 
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@Droford 

I loled.

Patriots, 4 units (loss)

Raiders, 3 units (loss)

Panthers, 5 units (loss)

Jets, 8 units (loss)

"I don't know what I did to deserve this horrible luck, but it's been killing us since the beginning of last season. if anyone has any ideas on how to reverse my fortune, please let me know!"

It's almost like directionless, crappy teams with crappy coaches and crappy QBs tend to pile up penalties and turnovers and stuff. It's crazy.

My suggestion to Walt to recoup those losses is to back the Browns because the ghost of Nick Chubb might play. He'll surely hit the ground limping behind Michael Dunn and Zak Zinter into a CIN D-line that's finally fully healthy after returning half it's rotation from injury over the last few weeks. It doesn't matter that the Bengals will stack the box because Deshaun Watson has no viable weapons and can't throw a rock into the ocean anyway. It's Nick Chubb!

Also, CIN is 2-4 and must win to keep playoff hopes alive. Joe Burrow and the Bengals have been down this road before, having overcome slow starts to make two recent AFC Championship games and nearly making the playoffs behind Jake Freakin' Browning. So there's no doubt CIN will come out flat against a CLE squad that's gotta be totally fired up after scoring that one offensive TD three weeks ago and trading away their only reliable offensive weapon.

Also also, Watson is the worst QB in the NFL and hated by his teammates, but will remain the starter by ownership decree. Meanwhile, the CLE QB that teammates actually liked that was kicked to the curb in favor of Watson is now arguably the best QB in the NFC and a fringe MVP candidate. Nothing but good vibes in Cleveland! The Browns are pumped and will totally beat the Bengals, who have nothing to play for because Nick Chubb and CIN/CLE home/road history overdue to even out! Easy money!

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@Karensman 

I don't think that Amari Cooper was ever really a game-changer. Like Walt said, his value lies in route-running/efficiency/reliability; a Henry Ellard/Isaac Bruce-type that remains an effective starter even at 33-34 years old. I don't think he's slipped this season - I think he was just done with waving at Watson's inaccurate passes. (He was visibly frustrated the last few games.)

Reliability is exactly what Josh Allen needs at WR. It was good of CLE to trade Cooper to a contender that will feed him properly. It was also a clear indication that they know the season is lost. Laying cabbage on a team that has packed it in and is led by a very expensive Zach Wilson just doesn't seem like a good idea. DEF/ST TDs aren't going to happen every week.

I shudder to think what the CLE offense will look like now. A million Jerry Jeudy wind sprints broken up by the occasional dropped pass I guess. Elijah Moore...I don't even bother to check if he's active or inactive during DFS research anymore because it really doesn't matter. The Browns better hope Njoku stays healthy. (He won't. The downside of being an Adonis is that you're also a pulled muscle waiting to happen.)

What you said about recognizing and getting ahead of the curve on teams that are improving/trending in the right direction is such an important aspect of betting. Foundational, really. I always try to sniff out the dog with a sustainable plan/direction vs. the directionless favorite.

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The CLE offense hasn't scored 20 points or reached 300 yards in any game this season. The offense has scored once in it's last 29 drives. Until Watson is benched, the Browns ARE crappy.
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"Deshaun Watson just played his best game of the season"

Watson had 47 yards at halftime and didn't lead a TD drive in the game. Again. His QBR was 34.6, somehow his 2nd highest of the season.

That 11-for-11 3rd-quarter completion streak was just fluky momentum-riding from the Myles Garrett/Rodney McCloud blocked FG/TD that made the halftime score 10-10 instead of PHI up 13-3...and possibly halftime locker room threats from Garrett, who is likely tired of the defense carrying the team.

"Watson had both of his starting tackles on the field for the first time all season"

Like it matters. Watson still took 5 sacks and 10 knockdowns. He's taken 5+ sacks in 4 of 6 starts and 31 sacks this season; 10 more than the next highest number. He took 4 sacks p/game last season with a healthy interior O-line and Wills Jr. in the lineup. He hasn't accounted for even 200 yards or more than one TD in any game this season.

Wills Jr. sucks. He has since his rookie season. He had two false start penalties (including 4th-and-goal) and a 42.4 PFF grade vs. PHI. This is typical Wills Jr. stuff when he's not injured. He was PFF's 56th-ranked OT last season. (51.3)

Conklin (57.9 PFF) is a shell of his former self, just as high-mileage Nick Chubb will assuredly be when he returns from a horrific knee injury and has to run behind the likes of Michael Dunn and Zac Zinter (41.6 PFF).

Fun stats:

The CLE offense (13.5 PPG) is last in the NFL by every imaginable metric, including a 13.8% 3rd-down conversion rate. The offense hasn't scored in it's last 29 drives.

Through six games, Watson is last in the NFL in EPA, QBR, sacks taken and pocket success rate. (Behind Will Levis, mind you.) His pocket success rate (33.3%) is ahead of only David Carr, Josh Rosen, Akili Smith, Blaine Gabbert and JaMarcus Russell this millennium.

Since 2006, of 566 passers graded through weeks 1-6, Watson is ranked:

QBR - 558th

Yards p/drop back - 565th

1st Down Rate - 566th

Three seasons into his 5-year contract, Watson has never thrown for 300 yards and has accounted for 2+ TDs twice.

The Watson signing was a catastrophic blunder and his coaches and teammates know it. (Amari Cooper has 100% checked out.) Watson is absolutely broken and I'm not sure if Anthony Munoz and Jon Ogden would make a difference at this point. Until Watson is benched, this is a bottom-5 team.

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The Bills had as many penalties as the Jets. Tyler Bass missed a FG and an XP.

BUF has an injury-depleted defense, a hodgepodge of crap like Mack Hollins and Curtis Samuel at WR and a backup RB, yet would have beat the Jets by double digits on the road if not for a Hail Mary.

Risk/reward offseason signings (Mike Williams, Tyron Smith, Haason Reddick, Javon Kinlaw) that the Jets were counting on to patch up weaknesses along the starting lineup have been more detriment than asset. 

The Jets are already on their second HC for chrissake. Ulbrich seemed in over his head vs. BUF. So NY replaced one "good DC, shouldn't be a HC" with another one. Wonderful. 

The Jets shouldn't be in the top-15 right now, let alone the top-10.

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The injury report confusion mentioned in the IND/TEN write-up is becoming too common. It's getting old. I get that teams manipulate the injury report to create uncertainty for their opponents, but you'd think the league would want to minimize uncertainty for bettors/fantasy players considering how huge those markets are to the NFL's financial success. The league has to figure out a way to tighten this up.

@Walt

You're overestimating the impact Wills Jr. and Conklin might have on what's going on in CLE. Wills isn't very good and Conklin is an aging, walking surgery scar who's likely washed. Lack of continuity on the O-line is obviously going to be an issue for any team, but the performance drop off from Wills Jr./Conklin to James Hudson III/Dawand Jones hasn't been the problem it's made out to be. The problem is Deshaun Watson. Don't feel like a noob for fading CLE; the noob thing would be to assume Watson will suddenly do anything but suck.

That said, the +9 worries me. This could easily be the game where the Browns get behind a few scores early and finally yank Watson for Winston. Winston is obviously no savior, but he can fling it and provide enough spark for a backdoor.

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The Jets shouldn't sniff the top ten. I was a cautiously optimistic fan going into this season, but only under the assumptions that we'd finally have a relatively injury-free season, Haason Reddick would be signed, the run defense would improve, and Rodgers wasn't washed and the offense would gel by this point. None of that has happened, and assuming any of it will looks like a bad bet at this point.

Also: The Jets are poorly coached. They're inconsistent and unfocused, and have given Rodgers too much influence over the offensive scheme. A team that gets the Broncos at home on ten days rest only to lay an egg shouldn't be in the top ten.

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EARLY GAME STUFF:

NO +2.5   I liked ATL -1.5, but the one-point bump in a game for which I have no solid feel has me spooked. The Saints have a battered O-line, but so do the Falcons. (Storm Norton vs. Carl Granderson could be a serious problem for ATL.) I could see one of those silly Taysom Hill-fueled Saints Ws here just as easily as a Younghoe Koo walk-off FG. Taking the points.

CIN -4.5   I'm wondering if the Bengals are broken and should be faded until we see evidence of the switch being flipped. I'm very tempted to get out ahead of that possibility here.

LAR +3   Coaching mismatch and another Kyren Williams smash spot.

GB -2.5   Jordan Love is an assassin vs. the blitz. I'm counting on negligible rust from Love, and for Sam Darnold to start showing signs of turning back into a pumpkin.

HOU -5.5   The Jags might come out with a little fire in their bellies and keep it close in the first half behind a healthy dose of Etienne, but HOU will eventually pull away with a 2nd half air show. There's also a strong possibility that JAX should simply be faded until Pederson is canned.

IND +2.5   Going contrarian here. In a bizarre turn of events, Fields finally commits a few TOs and Richardson finds moderate, efficient success behind some Jonathan Taylor chain-moving.

The PIT O-line is an underrated weakness. No Kwity Paye hurts IND, but I think Laiatu Latu steps up to menace Fields into a few mistakes.

PIT wins on a Boswell FG, but only by two. Then next week they'll destroy the Cowboys.

NYJ -8   I anticipate no letdown for the Jets here. They are well-rested and focused.

The Jets and new WR2 Mike Williams are owed some good karma. This is the season they get it. With Garrett Wilson erased by Pat Surtain, Williams steps up for a 2 TD day. Breece Hall rolls for 100+ and the defense confounds Bo Nix on the way to a workmanlike 27-13 W.

TB +1   As long as Vita Vea plays and isn't too compromised by that sprained knee, I like the home dog here.

Happy hunting, fellas.

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I wanna get ahead of the curve on a couple of NFC West teams.

OVERRATED  San Francisco 49ers

Sure, the loss to the Rams was kinda fluky...but it wasn't totally fluky. I'm not as comfortable assuming Kyle Shanahan will right the ship and coast to another playoff spot as I've been in recent years.

Like Sean McVay and Bill Belichick, Shanahan's stability/system ensure the 49ers will never be an easy out. However, I'm getting the sense that this might be the season where we see injury/depth attrition become too much to overcome.

Christian McCaffrey is reportedly seeking treatment from overseas doctors for his degenerative leg issues. That can't be good. Any Shanahan team will be able to run the ball, but it was a healthy McCaffrey that became Brock Purdy's best friend and brought this offense from good to great.

Serious problems are brewing at OT. Colton McIvitz is the worst RT in the NFL (with no viable alternative on the roster), and Trent Williams is showing signs of mortality. Williams is 36 years old and the injuries are becoming more frequent. Purdy is fine with a healthy McCaffrey and airtight edge protection, but without those the house of cards collapses.

The SF defense is not as good as recent vintage. The Kyren Williams explosion was no fluke.

This isn't that foundational Bosa/D.J. Jones/Buckner/Armstead D-line with high-quality depth like Arden Key, Charles Omenihu, Javon Kinlaw, Dee Ford, etc., rotating in. With the Hargrove injury, the current D-line is just Bosa and some JAGS, with subpar depth. With Dre Greenlaw's injury shaping up to be a season-long issue, this is a mediocre unit beyond Bosa and Warner.

UNDERRATED  Seattle Seahawks

Many assume that SEA's 3-0 record is just fattening up on cupcakes - and that's fair - but I'm guessing that assumption is wrong.

First of all, recent SEA teams would have lost one of those games. Pete Carroll's schemes and rah-rah act had grown stale. The new regime is fresh and innovative. I'm probably leaning too much on the "good vibe" in Seattle, but I think it'll prove sustainable as the Grubb/Macdonald schemes fully click.

I'm predicting that in a few weeks the Grubb/Geno Smith marriage will join O'Connell/Darnold in the "reclamation QB renaissance" narrative. The SEA offense is ready for takeoff, and once Walker is healthy they'll be humming. If RT Abraham Lucas can ever get healthy, they'll really be cooking with gas.

As a Jets fan, I'll NEVER predict a Geno Smith-led team to contend for the SB, but 10 or 11 wins and a surprise run to the NFC Championship are on the table for SEA.

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I wanna get ahead of the curve on a couple of NFC West teams.

OVERRATED  San Francisco 49ers

Sure, the loss to the Rams was kinda fluky...but it wasn't totally fluky. I'm not as comfortable assuming Kyle Shanahan will right the ship and coast to another playoff spot as I've been in recent years.

Like Sean McVay and Bill Belichick, Shanahan's stability/system ensure the 49ers will never be an easy out. However, I'm getting the sense that this might be the season where we see injury/depth attrition become too much to overcome.

Christian McCaffrey is reportedly seeking treatment from overseas doctors for his degenerative leg issues. That can't be good. Any Shanahan team will be able to run the ball, but it was a healthy McCaffrey that became Brock Purdy's best friend and brought this offense from good to great.

Serious problems are brewing at OT. Colton McIvitz is the worst RT in the NFL (with no viable alternative on the roster), and Trent Williams is showing signs of mortality. Williams is 36 years old and the injuries are becoming more frequent. Purdy is fine with a healthy McCaffrey and airtight edge protection, but without those the house of cards collapses.

The SF defense is not as good as recent vintage. The Kyren Williams explosion was no fluke.

This isn't that foundational Bosa/D.J. Jones/Buckner/Armstead D-line with high-quality depth like Arden Key, Charles Omenihu, Javon Kinlaw, Dee Ford, etc., rotating in. With the Hargrove injury, the current D-line is just Bosa and some JAGS, with subpar depth. With Dre Greenlaw's injury shaping up to be a season-long issue, this is a mediocre unit beyond Bosa and Warner.

UNDERRATED  Seattle Seahawks

Many assume that SEA's 3-0 record is just fattening up on cupcakes - and that's fair - but I'm guessing that assumption is wrong.

First of all, recent SEA teams would have lost one of those games. Pete Carroll's schemes and rah-rah act had grown stale. The new regime is fresh and innovative. I'm probably leaning too much on the "good vibe" in Seattle, but I think it'll prove sustainable as the Grubb/Macdonald schemes fully click.

I'm predicting that in a few weeks the Grubb/Geno Smith marriage will join O'Connell/Darnold in the "reclamation QB renaissance" narrative. The SEA offense is ready for takeoff, and once Walker is healthy they'll be humming. If RT Abraham Lucas can ever get healthy, they'll really be cooking with gas.

As a Jets fan, I'll NEVER predict a Geno Smith-led team to contend for the SB, but 10 or 11 wins and a surprise run to the NFC Championship are on the table for SEA.

gt;t;

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
2 month(s) 23 day(s) ago

@WFDevTeam 

I'm guessing they lose @DET Monday night. Just too many injuries along that defensive front 7 right now. But Week 5 at home vs. the Giants should be a get-right spot, and that will be the first of four home games in their next five going into their bye week, with a very winnable @ATL the only away game. SEA could easily be 7-2 going into their Week 10 bye.

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@SadisticNobility 

Gotta disagree on Jones. He sucks. He can't complete a pass 20+ yards. He was just doing more check-down compiling last night, only without his usual handful of TOs. He never truly threatens the secondary.

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I wanna get ahead of the curve on a couple of NFC West teams.

OVERRATED  San Francisco 49ers

Sure, the loss to the Rams was kinda fluky...but it wasn't totally fluky. I'm not as comfortable assuming Kyle Shanahan will right the ship and coast to another playoff spot as I've been in recent years.

Like Sean McVay and Bill Belichick, Shanahan's stability/system ensure the 49ers will never be an easy out. However, I'm getting the sense that this might be the season where we see injury/depth attrition become too much to overcome.

Christian McCaffrey is reportedly seeking treatment from overseas doctors for his degenerative leg issues. That can't be good. Any Shanahan team will be able to run the ball, but it was a healthy McCaffrey that became Brock Purdy's best friend and brought this offense from good to great.

Serious problems are brewing at OT. Colton McIvitz is the worst RT in the NFL (with no viable alternative on the roster), and Trent Williams is showing signs of mortality. Williams is 36 years old and the injuries are becoming more frequent. Purdy is fine with a healthy McCaffrey and airtight edge protection, but without those the house of cards collapses.

The SF defense is not as good as recent vintage. The Kyren Williams explosion was no fluke.

This isn't that foundational Bosa/D.J. Jones/Buckner/Armstead D-line with high-quality depth like Arden Key, Charles Omenihu, Javon Kinlaw, Dee Ford, etc., rotating in. With the Hargrove injury, the current D-line is just Bosa and some JAGS, with subpar depth. With Dre Greenlaw's injury shaping up to be a season-long issue, this is a mediocre unit beyond Bosa and Warner.

UNDERRATED  Seattle Seahawks

Many assume that SEA's 3-0 record is just fattening up on cupcakes - and that's fair - but I'm guessing that assumption is wrong.

First of all, recent SEA teams would have lost one of those games. Pete Carroll's schemes and rah-rah act had grown stale. The new regime is fresh and innovative. I'm probably leaning too much on the "good vibe" in Seattle, but I think it'll prove sustainable as the Grubb/Macdonald schemes fully click.

I'm predicting that in a few weeks the Grubb/Geno Smith marriage will join O'Connell/Darnold in the "reclamation QB renaissance" narrative. The SEA offense is ready for takeoff, and once Walker is healthy they'll be humming. If RT Abraham Lucas can ever get healthy, they'll really be cooking with gas.

As a Jets fan, I'll NEVER predict a Geno Smith-led team to contend for the SB, but 10 or 11 wins and a surprise run to the NFC Championship are on the table for SEA.

gt;t;

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WFDevTeam 68 Posts (19 )
2 month(s) 26 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

I'll be looking out for Seattle then

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2 month(s) 26 day(s) ago

@Walt

You've gotta let the TEN dream die. It wouldn't matter if TEN had the '85 Bears defense; backing Will Levis will leave bettors wearing barrel-and-suspenders. 

TEN's defense isn't great. It's just okay. Now Chidobe Awuzie is out and Jeffery Simmons is questionable. Tyler Huntley is likely to start for MIA and I guaranfu*kintee you he outperforms Levis on the way to a watching-paint-dry MIA win.

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2 month(s) 27 day(s) ago

@Mr. Football  

Love is blind.

The Cowboys are in trouble. The league-wide safety shell trend is making running the ball/stopping the run more important than we've seen in decades. DAL can do neither. Like, not at all.

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I don't think it's fair to say that the Bucs were exposed vs. the Broncos. Coming off the big win vs. DET and with a big game vs. PHI ahead, Week 3 was a classic trap game. The Bucs were also rolling with a gutted defense.

Not saying the Bucs are SB contenders, but they're definitely capable of winning the NFC South. Mayfield is (somehow) the best QB in the division, the offense will improve as Goedeke gets healthy and Bucky Irving settles in at RB1, and the defense will be fine once Vea, Kancey, Winfield are healthy.

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@biskit52250 

He has the Vikings at #4. Can't hate them that much.

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The Ravens aren't "bad". Yeah, they're experiencing some growing pains as the reconfigured O-line establishes continuity, but the Ravens under Harbaugh have earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to such things. LT and C are solid, Mekari has always been serviceable when called upon, and new Gs Vorhees and Faalele have upside.

The current BAL O-line situation isn't any worse than those in the rest of the AFC North.

CINs mediocre O-line regularly gets Burrow hurt,

PITs O-line is suspect, with Broderick Jones looking like a bust and Fautanu out for the season.

CLE's O-line is a mess. Jedrick Wills sucks, Conklin will never be the same, and now Wyatt Teller and underrated swing OT James Hudson are injured.

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3 month(s) 5 day(s) ago
Think maybe Drake London just isn't that good.
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3 month(s) 8 day(s) ago

@mike-gaughan 

Happy JK Dobbins owner here. I would make that move. I'm currently contemplating dropping Chuba Hubbard to pick up Gus Edwards from waivers as a premium handcuff. With Dobbins' injury history and Harbaugh's offensive philosophy, Edwards could bang out some week-winning numbers later on this season.

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3 month(s) 8 day(s) ago

"The Bears don't have the best depth at CB"

Huh? Jaylon Johnson is the best CB in the NFC. Tyrique Stevenson is emerging as a high-quality, ball-hawking CB2 and ideal complement to Johnson. Slot CB Kyler Gordon grades as one of the best in the league. CB4 Terell Smith would be CB2 for some teams. None are older than 25.

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I get that the Browns have talent, but I think you're underrating what a massive albatross Deshaun Watson and his contract are for the organization.

Performance-wise, Watson has clearly checked out after getting paid, and with the new sexual assault accusations it seems just a matter of time before he's benched and/or released. That's demoralizing, season-killing stuff, and Joe Flacco is no longer around to give CLE a short-term boost.

Chubb and Conklin will probably never be the same, and Jedrick Wills hasn't been good since his rookie season. With the Njoku injury, points will be hard to come by and we could see a very frustrated Browns defense before long. The whole situation in CLE points more toward a spiral than improvement.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
3 month(s) 9 day(s) ago

@chuckster 

I just think the NFL is all about getting it right at QB and Walt will grow old waiting for CLE, CAR and TEN to turn the corner unless those teams make a change under center.

The QB situations in CLE and CAR are catastrophic when factoring in the investment prices. I mean, the Panthers passed on C.J. Stroud and basically traded the foundation of a playoff team to CHI to draft a QB that is simply too small and plays scared. Walt says the Panthers are bound to improve because they upgraded the O-line; so what? What good is an improved run-blocking unit when the opposing defense can just stack the box because they know the QB is atrocious?

Watson, Young nd Levis suck, and every member of their organizations top-to-bottom know that. There's a ripple effect. CLE, CAR and TEN are just spinning their wheels and should be auto-fades until those QBs are benched.

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I get that the Browns have talent, but I think you're underrating what a massive albatross Deshaun Watson and his contract are for the organization.

Performance-wise, Watson has clearly checked out after getting paid, and with the new sexual assault accusations it seems just a matter of time before he's benched and/or released. That's demoralizing, season-killing stuff, and Joe Flacco is no longer around to give CLE a short-term boost.

Chubb and Conklin will probably never be the same, and Jedrick Wills hasn't been good since his rookie season. With the Njoku injury, points will be hard to come by and we could see a very frustrated Browns defense before long. The whole situation in CLE points more toward a spiral than improvement.

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I get that the Browns have talent, but I think you're underrating what a massive albatross Deshaun Watson and his contract are for the organization.

Performance-wise, Watson has clearly checked out after getting paid, and with the new sexual assault accusations it seems just a matter of time before he's benched and/or released. That's demoralizing, season-killing stuff, and Joe Flacco is no longer around to give CLE a short-term boost.

Chubb and Conklin will probably never be the same, and Jedrick Wills hasn't been good since his rookie season. With the Njoku injury, points will be hard to come by and we could see a very frustrated Browns defense before long. The whole situation in CLE points more toward a spiral than improvement.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
3 month(s) 9 day(s) ago

@chuckster 

Plenty of people have rough upbringings AND rough adulthoods yet still manage to not be complete assholes.

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I get that the Browns have talent, but I think you're underrating what a massive albatross Deshaun Watson and his contract are for the organization.

Performance-wise, Watson has clearly checked out after getting paid, and with the new sexual assault accusations it seems just a matter of time before he's benched and/or released. That's demoralizing, season-killing stuff, and Joe Flacco is no longer around to give CLE a short-term boost.

Chubb and Conklin will probably never be the same, and Jedrick Wills hasn't been good since his rookie season. With the Njoku injury, points will be hard to come by and we could see a very frustrated Browns defense before long. The whole situation in CLE points more toward a spiral than improvement.

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chuckster 361 Posts (316 )
3 month(s) 10 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter:  Totally agree on your assessment of the Browns potential downward spiral.  Watson clearly has/is? walking the path to personal/self destruction. It has happened to a lot of athletes across the sports spectrum and seems to be directly attributed to a rough/horrible upbringing.  Some of these gifted athletes find a way to overcome,  sadly,  many can't/won't.
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3 month(s) 10 day(s) ago
Ewers > Sanders
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@SadisticNobility 

TEN's success hinges on whether Levis is the guy at QB. If he's not, TEN won't win many games. Judging by what we saw today, Levis has not improved from last season. I don't think his penchant for back-breaking turnovers is going to just go away.

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I don't think anyone expects the Saints to be good this season.

Raiders are overrated. Antonio Pierce is a complete unknown and his late-season interim Ws came against teams that had given up. His schemes/philosophies are outdated. He's an inexperienced, rah rah player's coach; the track record for such coaches is not good once the initial feel-good vibes fade.

Their defense is mediocre beyond Crosby and Wilkins. Robert Spillane is arguably their best back-7 starter. That's not good. Jimmy Lake was a very questionable DC hire.

The offensive line is mediocre beyond Kolton Miller, and O-line guru Carmen Bricillo is no longer around to extract lemonade from those lemons. (Very underrated loss.)

The running game - which Pierce hopes will be LV's bread and butter - looked completely ineffective in the preseason. The Raiders might have the least-talented RB room in the NFL.

The QB situation is right there with PIT for worst in the AFC, but at least the QBs that the Steelers will be yo-yoing in and out of the lineup have some talent and upside.

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TEN/CHI

Agreed that CHi may be a bit overrated and TEN a bit underrated going into this season, and wouldn't be surprised if the Titans win SU. However, your reasoning for backing the Titans seems kinda flimsy.

The "Caleb Williams couldn't even lead USC to a top-five finish" is a very apples to oranges angle. (And yes, I would say that the Bears have top-end talent, especially at the skill positions. Don't think I've ever seen a rookie QB set up better for immediate success.)

Calling TEN's pass rush "swarming" is generous. Jeffrey Simmons is the only front-7 stud. Harold Landry is perfectly average and Arden Key is JAG. With a solid, experienced O-line and Williams' escapability, Williams should stay mostly clean. The Titans have upgraded the talent level on both sides of the ball, but with brand new schemes and so many new faces (including Latham and Sweat - raw rookie at key positions), we can't assume TEN will come storming out of the gates.

Also - I'm not ready to anoint L'Jarius Sneed as a bona fide CB1 just yet. I could easily be wrong, but I have to wonder if - like the army of late round/UFA CBs that broke the bank in free agency then flopped after thriving in Belichick's Patriots scheme - Sneed's success in KC was partly due to Spagnuolo's scheme, where Spags can seemingly insert any late round/UFA CB and make it work as long as they're long and rangy. I think Sneed could be regarded as another TEN free agency fool's gold overpay in a few years.

Lastly, I'm not sure why the "unknown" of Will Levis is kinda getting the benefit of the doubt while William's "unknown" isn't. Other than Levis' clean debut last season, he was bad; bad on the surface and what looks to be sustainably bad according to underlying metrics.

DAL/CLE

Again, no problem with the CLE pick. The Bland injury and depleted DAL O-line probably makes CLE the right side. (Assuming Deshaun Watson hasn't completely checked out...which is very possible and potentially catastrophic.) My only problem here is leaning on the "DAL can't stop the run" angle, as it may be considered outdated in a few weeks. 

Unlike Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer prioritizes stopping the run. In Quinn's big nickel scheme, the LBs were usually Damone Clark and a safety. With the scheme change and Bland injury, the Cowboys will be susceptible to good passing attacks for a while. But with the additions of Eric Kendricks and DeMarvion Overshown, and the reported offseason improvement of NT Mazi Smith, rushing yards figure to immediately be harder to come by vs. DAL.

LV/LAC

This reeks of a statement game for the Chargers after that 63-21 snot-bubble beating LV gave them to put the final nail in Brandon Staley's coffin. That has to be considered when handicapping this game. Also to be considered: Pierce/Harbaugh is a coaching mismatch until proven otherwise.>

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Drew Allar is not a 1st RD prospect.
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@petermwb 

Daniel Jones-miss

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7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago

It's been fun. Good luck!

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It's been fun. Good luck!

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
7 month(s) 29 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter Same to you!  I kind of stopped working on this one in the last 2 days and just worked on my contest mock.  We'll see how it goes!  
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@The Champ 

There's been some schizophrenic odds on the EDGE prospects. Some mixed messages on Verse right now.

You appear to be right about Turner slipping. Something weird is going on with ATL. Almost overnight, their first position drafted odds went from DL/EDGE -225 and OL +1100 to DL/EDGE -180 and OL +525 (!!). With Cousins now hogging up all that cap, could ATL be looking to take advantage of the bountiful OL crop and get cheaper at OT by drafting Fashanu or Latham to replace McGary at RT and then perhaps Matthews at LT a few years down the line? That scenario has crossed my mind a few times. McGary is overpriced and a very Arthur Smith-specific RT.

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@The Champ 

Yeah, Trey Pipkins shouldn't be starting. (Jamaree Syler, either.)

My thinking with the hypothetical Slater trade is LAC would receive Jonathan Allen along with WAS's 2.36 or 2.40. (Slater is just 25 and Allen is 29/expensive, so I think the compensation is fair.)

With one of WAS's 2nd RD picks to go along with their native pick at 2.37, I'm guessing the Chargers would be able to net Kingsley Suamataia for RT, or perhaps even Tyler Guyton in a moderate trade up into the late 1st RD. At the very worst, they could still come out of Day 2 with an upside RT prospect like Rosengarten, Brandon Coleman, etc. A cheap, risk/reward one-year bridge like slobberknocker Jack Conklin could easily be added, allowing Suamataia to ease in at RG for a season. There are options.

Bottom line: Harbaugh has a very specific vision and wants his kinda guys to build around Herbert. (Also, there's no way Harbaugh goes into next season without an interior DL linchpin.) My approach to the LAC draft is that NO starter from the prior regime is safe, especially if they're expensive or about to become expensive. They're tradeable assets. Hell, Keenan Allen was Herbert's one-and-only security blanket and Hortiz/Harbaugh banished him without hesitation.  

I'm no QB expert, either. I played a little and like to think I've learned a thing or two having spent an unhealthy amount of hours over the years soaking up QB-specific breakdowns from evaluators I respect, but there are mechanical nuances that I'm still iffy on. More importantly, I'm not privy to interviews/whiteboard sessions. So much of QB success is dependent on the prospect's character and whether or not the environment he's drafted into is optimal for his development. It's a crapshoot. The historic bust rate for 1st RD QBs reflects that.

With all that said, I'll add this: While I have my doubts about Drake Maye (plus arm/mobility - not elite, IMO. Not Josh Allen. Questionable accuracy/decision-maker, poor on-target % from clean pocket), Daniels is even riskier. Your critique of Daniels was being kind, as you didn't even mention his frame or his hesitance/lack of anticipation when working the middle of the field. I'm familiar with the Daniels/sack rate under pressure info, and it's alarming. It also totally checks out on tape. With Daniels, it's so often look-look, eyes down and dip. Often right into a sack. Sure, sometimes he works his way through the backfield congestion and into the open field for a highlight run, but that won't happen as often in the NFL, and when it does, he will be severely punished if he doesn't learn to protect himself. He's so skinny. Reports say he sometimes played at 190 last year. That's absolutely terrifying. He's approaching 24 and not likely to get much bigger. His Pro Day was almost sad. He's skinny, he knows he's skinny and he was obviously trying to hide it.

So yeah, high bust potential with both Maye and Daniels, which is why I'm not absolutely convinced NE won't take MHJ at 1.03 then target Penix or Nix later on.

What I find very odd is that - for all of Daniels' red flags - it's Maye that's constantly given the fine-tooth comb treatment from the media, while Daniels' even more alarming concerns go relatively unmentioned. The media just hums along as if Daniels at 1.02 is a given. I'm not sure that it is.

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@The Champ 

I've seriously considered Worthy for the Rams. They still need that speed element. He could be everything Tutu Atwell was supposed to be and then some.

BUF and KC are still the betting favorites for Worthy, but I don't see it. The Bills need more size at WR and KC signed Hollywood Brown. I think Worthy is destined for CIN, LAR, IND, CAR or SF, with MIA the dark horse. (If/when they pay Tua, one of Hill or Waddle will have to go. Keeping both won't be financially feasible.)

I agree that CHI's need for an EDGE is being somewhat overstated. Sweat is obviously EDGE1 and making EDGE1 money, and in Eberflus' scheme the second DE spot has always been a run-contain/DPR platoon. A Day Two prospect like Jonah Ellis could work in that DPR role to complement DeMarcus Walker. If the Bears trade down, my guy Chop Robinson would be picture perfect in that DPR role. Chop will never be an edge-setting 4-3 DE, but if you're looking for a guy to just pin his ears back and run at the QB, he's that guy. If Chop can develop an inside counter or two instead of just running the arc, he'd be absolutely lethal in that role.

As for the QBs at 1-2-3, we might just disagree on Drake Maye. I just don't see it with him, and the transferable metrics are unkind. The Herbert/Allen comps seem extremely generous to me. Charlie Campbell's hot press report that teams see Maye as being closer to Daniel Jones/Will Levis than Herbert/Allen sounds about right, IMO. I obviously won't let my personal bias prevent me from slotting Maye in the top 3 if Vegas odds suggest that's the way the wind is blowing, but I'll probably be skeptical right up until the draft.

I'm going to set aside a bit of time this weekend to thoroughly analyze the veteran trade market and each team's salary allocation and how that might impact the draft. I think people too often forget that some of these premium picks will be traded for vets, and that teams often pass on filling obvious needs in order to draft BPA at premium positions as a hedge against incumbents on the verge of becoming very expensive. (Especially for teams with a high-salary QB. Financial flexibility at premium positions is crucial for them.) This kinda overlaps with my LAC/Alt argument. I think Hortiz/Harbaugh could trade Rashawn Slater during this draft. I really do. Slater is a dependable LT, but he's going into his contract year and hasn't been the same since a season-ending ruptured biceps tendon in WK 3 of the '22 season and ensuing high ankle sprain issues. Are we sure that Hortiz/Harbaugh/Roman will be okay on resetting the OT market with Slater considering his downward career arc, substandard size and '23 PFF run-blocking grade of 59.5? I could see the Chargers draft Alt then trade Slater to WAS for DT Jonathan Allen and more Day 2 ammo.

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@The Champ 

I don't know about you, but I'm currently chin-deep in draft scenarios/puzzle solving. So much fun. Truly the most wonderful time of the year.

Bill Belichick recently stated that everything draftniks hear this time of year is agent-fed, and only what you hear 12 hours or less before the draft can be trusted. I don't think that's 100% true, but I'd say it's about 90% true. About a week out is when I go into "chaos mode". That's when I heavily filter the rumors and speculation, take a step back from all the comfortable consensus, and really try to sniff out the uncomfortable and not-yet-thought-of picks/trades that would initially shock, but then make you think, "Yeah, that actually makes sense". Because that's what happens in the real draft.

Last year around this time I started kicking around the idea of HOU drafting Stroud then trading up for Will Anderson. (I can't remember if it was you or NoHeroes, but I bounced the idea off of one of you guys in the comment section for a day or two.) I was convinced the trade was going to happen and made it a permanent part of my mock, but like a moron I deferred to Lance Zierlein's faulty Texans intel at the very last moment and removed the trade from my contest mock. I don't want to make the same mistake this year. That's why I pick your brain. (Probably too often. Sorry.) You think logically but outside the box. So many mocks just copy the media consensus. Those mocks are always wrong, so why do people keep going down that road?

Anyway, here are my two candidates to be the agents of chaos that throw everyone's 2024 top 10 into disarray:

1) The Patriots at 1.03.

I'm pretty sure Williams/Daniels go 1/2, and I believe Charlie Campbell when he says NE would prefer Daniels to Maye/McCarthy but be "okay" with QB3. But I still have my doubts whether the Pats like Maye/McCarthy better than MHJ or even Joe Alt.

For me, drafting Maye/McCarthy over MHJ or Alt is a pretty healthy reach. I get that standard rules go out the window when you desperately need a QB, but the Pats also desperately need a WR1 and LT. If I was a Pats fan, I think I would be more excited about -- let's say -- MHJ or Alt at 1.03 and a trade up into the mid/late 1st for Penix than Maye/McCarthy at 1.03 and Kingsley Suamataia at 2.34. or a trade up into the mid/late 1st for Tyler Guyton. I still think QB-QB-QB-MHJ is most likely, but I'm getting less comfortable with it by the day.

2) Joe Alt/Teams that need a LT

I just don't think the 1.07 TEN/Alt chalk is going to happen. It almost seems like when folks are creating their mocks, they're inking that pick in first then working around it. There are just too many plausible scenarios that take Alt off the board by then.

Alt to NE at 1.03. Extreme longshot, but possible.

Alt to LAC at 1.05. VERY possible. Hortiz is a Ravens guy. (I don't need to reel off examples...you know how highly BAL values O-line on draft day.) I also don't need to tell you how perfectly Alt fits the profile of a Harbaugh OT...or how the Ravens and Harbaugh have historically built their team identity through a dominant O-line/defense, etc, etc.

Alt at 1.06. This seems an obvious scenario to me, but I've never seen a single mock with a team trading right ahead of TEN for Alt. Alt (or MHJ) is arguably the cleanest blue chip in this draft; teams are going to want to move up for him, and they all know where they need to go to get him.

I think you're on to something with your CHI/Fashanu pick. Braxton Jones has surprised, but if you're Ryan Poles and in range for a perennial Pro Bowl LT, you go for it without a second thought to Jones. I say why not take it one step further? With Caleb Williams and that defense, the Bears aren't going to be in range for a LT of Alt's quality for a long time, and franchise LTs simply don't reach the open market. (While Pro Bowl WRs are traded constantly and high-quality WR draft prospects seem increasingly plentiful by the year.) Why not use that extra '25 2nd -rounder from CAR, move up to 1.06 for Alt and ensure Caleb William's edge protection is air-tight for the next decade? At 1.09, the Giants could draft Brock Bowers. Darren Waller is finished, and it seems every organizational move the Giants make lately just mimics what the Buffalo Bills did yesterday. The Giants could run their offense through Bowers just as BUF will run theirs through Dalton Kincaid. 

The Saints could also move up to 1.06 for Alt. They've made their bed with Derek Carr, and he has no chance without vast and immediate OT upgrades. The Saints currently don't have a viable LT option on their roster. There's no guarantee Fashanu makes it to them at 1.14 and Fashanu is far from a sure thing anyway. There will be O-linemen popping off like crazy in the teens, but Troy Fautanu is the only one ready to man LT and he may not meet NO's size standards.

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8 month(s) 6 day(s) ago

Guard is one of the very few positions where DEN is set. Fuaga would only make sense if they plan on releasing McGlinchey -- which would be a $46.5M dead cap hit.

Somehow, someway, the Broncos have to come out of this draft with their QB1. Singular mission.

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@petermwb 

No, the biggest question is which prospect will have the cutest girlfriend/sister/mom.

Also: Rakestraw -- One of NE/ATL/DET/CAR/JAX

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@The Champ 

If the Jets don't make the playoffs in '24, Douglas/Saleh are gone. No doubt in my mind. A trade down for BTJ makes sense. I think he's relatively unrefined and it's questionable whether he would make an instant impact, but not all agree with that assessment.

I think the Giants would take Odunze over Nabers. As you suggested, Odunze would better diversify the WR corps, and I think the character concerns with Nabers could be a sticking point with an organization as conservative as the Giants.

There is a surprise faller or two in every draft. IMO, the most likely candidates this year are Turner, Nabers and Bowers. Guys that could go much higher than their position O/U: Murphy II, Mims, Chop, Latu.

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@The Champ 

No doubt LT is in play for the Rams. I imagine it would be Mims or Guyton. I can't see any of Alt, Fashanu, Fautanu, Fauga, Latham being on the board at 1.19.

I just wonder what they'll do about EDGE then. Maybe Marshawn Kneeland in the 2nd? Maybe he could play that Elephant OLB role opposite Byron Young. Chris Braswell? They really need more pass-rushing juice with no Aaron Donald and no Raheem Morris manufacturing pressure with smoke and mirrors.

I just noticed that IND's odds of drafting a TE first went from +425 to +250 overnight, while the Jets odds for drafting a TE actually went from +130 to +135, with O-line now at -105. Colts trade up for Bowers?

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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@dcalvertconsulting 

Bowers is a generational college TE, but I don't think he's a generational NFL prospect. He's an exciting, physical and clutch player, but there's zero evidence that he's the kind of one-of-one athlete that goes in the top 10 at a non-premium position. I know I'm alone on this, but I'm not going to go along with consensus when I just don't see it on tape. For me, his likely draft range is 12 to 21.

If I was CIN, I would draft Graham Barton or Troy Fautanu over Bowers at 1.18. Bowers won't make a lick of difference if Burrow is constantly injured. The Bengals don't value TEs much, anyway.

It's funny that your comp for Odunze is Anquan Boldin. My comp for Nabers is a fast Anquan Boldin.

Odunze would be perfect for CHI, but I think the Giants take him at 1.06. Even over Nabers.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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dcalvertconsulting 11 Posts (3 )
8 month(s) 7 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter - Bowers is a generational talent, who will terrorize, assuming he can stay healthy.  Talent-wise BB is only behind Marvin Harrison, Jr.,  He's Kellen Winslow reincarnated.  If BB would fall to the Bengals, his addition could thrust their offense into the unstoppable category, and push them into the SB.  Don't buy into the hype for Malik Nabers, who was really a 1 year wonder.  Rome Odunze, reminds me of Anquan Boldin.  If he falls to Chicago at 9, he will make Caleb's rookie season so much easier.
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@The Champ 

Bo Nix at 1.12 is a fireable offense. Comically low ADOT and when forced out of that comfort zone he's observably anxious. Even at the Senior Bowl.

Some concerning transferable metrics and obviously the injury history, but Lord Almighty does Penix have an arm. Just incredible. How do you not take a chance on him in the 1st RD? Not buying the "elite supporting cast" stuff, either. Even on a woefully outclassed Indiana squad, I remember Penix giving the Buckeyes all they could handle. 

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@The Champ

Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if CHI will go O-line. Poles is a trenches guy all the way, and doing everything possible to make Caleb Williams' protection airtight will always be a good idea. It all comes down to whether they're confident that Braxton Jones' overachievement is sustainable. If they aren't, Fautanu is a dark horse at 1.09. At worst, Fautanu could be a Joe Thuney-type LG, with Jenkins moving to RG.

You're right about that ATL/CHI/NYJ cluster -- one of those teams is likely to trade out.

I seriously doubt the Jets go O-line. They like '23 3rd-rounder Carter Warren as depth. It's either Bowers or Odunze/Nabers for them. I could see NY trading UP for one of the WRs. There is no tomorrow for the Jets right now.

The Dallas Turner number is interesting, as is Latu and Verse making a late kick to close the gap on Turner at 1.08/First EDGE Drafted. Turner is very similar to Arnold Ebiketie -- perhaps ATL would prefer a more polished EDGE to complement Ebiketie. They're kinda in win-now mode with Cousins.

If DEN doesn't make a move for a QB, I could see Sean Payton liking Bowers as a quasi-Taysom Hill. Pretty sure DEN will make a move for a QB though. They've painted themselves into a corner. If they don't come out of this draft with QB1, what other options are there? Ryan Tannehill? Davis Mills? Blech. If it comes to that, they may as well trade Bolles, Sutton and Surtain and start all over.

Bowers/LAR is very intriguing. The Rams put very little stock into testing numbers and I don't think they're counting on Tyler Higbee going forward. Bowers would be a perfect complement to in-line TE Colby Parkinson in 2-TE sets.

I respect Charlie Campbell and don't doubt that he's sourced, but I think Charlie's NYJ/Bowers/Odunze take is probably just a logical deduction. With Saleh/Douglas on the hot seat, Rodgers nearly 41 and Mike Williams an injury waiting to happen, everyone kinda knows the Jets are all-in and focused on obtaining one more weapon for Rodgers.

I take Schrager's reports with a grain of salt. Check out his late mocks from last year. There were...not very accurate.

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It's worth noting that Adam Shefter and various MIN and HOU beats have reported that MIN didn't initiate the 1.23 trade with HOU. The Texans called MIN because they needed a 2nd-rounder to trade for Stefon Diggs. The common assumption that the Vikings are dead set on moving up has been extrapolated from the fact that they acquired that extra 2nd-rounder, but the truth is that nobody knows for sure if moving up for McCarthy/Maye is MIN's endgame. It's all speculation. The Vikings are just as likely to target Byron Murphy II at 1.11 then work the board from 1.23 for Penix.

Bowers' O/U is now at 12.5 with heavy action on the over. Shefter reported that his realistic range is the teens. A TE with questionable size/athleticism who is obviously avoiding pre-draft testing is not going in the top 10.

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It's worth noting that Adam Shefter and various MIN and HOU beats have reported that MIN didn't initiate the 1.23 trade with HOU. The Texans called MIN because they needed a 2nd-rounder to trade for Stefon Diggs. The common assumption that the Vikings are dead set on moving up has been extrapolated from the fact that they acquired that extra 2nd-rounder, but the truth is that nobody knows for sure if moving up for McCarthy/Maye is MIN's endgame. It's all speculation. The Vikings are just as likely to target Byron Murphy II at 1.11 then work the board from 1.23 for Penix.

Bowers' O/U is now at 12.5 with heavy action on the over. Shefter reported that his realistic range is the teens. A TE with questionable size/athleticism who is obviously avoiding pre-draft testing is not going in the top 10.

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...acquired that extra 1st-rounder*
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@Warrior 

I can't see Ballard taking Bowers with zero workout numbers. Ballard is RAS-obsessed. A TE like Theo Johnson (9.99 RAS) on Day 2 seems more Ballard's style.

I think we're all overthinking the Chargers. Joe Alt is a Hortiz/Harbaugh LT if there ever was one.

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@Warrior 

The ARI/MHJ chalk always made the most sense. The only way ARI moves out of range for MHJ is if they're offered 3 or 4 1st-rounders or Justin Jefferson. They way Vegas numbers are moving recently strongly suggests it's going to be 1) C. Williams 2) J. Daniels 3) D. Maye 4) MHJ.

There's buzz that McCarthy will come off the board in the 7 to 11 range, not top 6. Vegas numbers are indicating a Brock Bowers slide, too. He was a 7/8 O/U for a while, fell to even odds to be drafted top-10 over the last few days, and is now at 12.5 O/U with heavy action on the over. Adam Shefter just said he's hearing Bowers' range is now in the teens.

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Anyone that finds the pairing of peanut butter and jelly anything but totally logical, yummy and American -- while being okay with any mint food product under their roof -- is obviously a Communist.

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@Walt

Anyone that finds the pairing of peanut butter and jelly anything but totally logical, yummy and American -- while being okay with any mint food product under their roof -- is obviously a Communist.

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@Mr. Bitter ha ha, nice, and of course true
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Trading up for Amarius Mims would be the ideal move for the 49ers. Shockingly easy movement skills at 340 lbs. Mims was made for blocking out in space in a wide zone. Instant upgrade on the right side and potential heir to Trent Williams.

ARI moving out of range for MHJ and settling for BTJ as Kyler Murray's new WR1 and a boom-or-bust 3T feels icky. I think the Cardinals will ultimately stay put, and J.J. McCarthy will come off the board in the 9 to 12 range.

Agree on Nix and Penix. Not 1st-rounders. Nix especially.

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Trading up for Amarius Mims would be the ideal move for the 49ers. Shockingly easy movement skills at 340 lbs. Mims was made for blocking out in space in a wide zone. Instant upgrade on the right side and potential heir to Trent Williams.

ARI moving out of range for MHJ and settling for BTJ as Kyler Murray's new WR1 and a boom-or-bust 3T feels icky. I think the Cardinals will ultimately stay put, and J.J. McCarthy will come off the board in the 9 to 12 range.

Agree on Nix and Penix. Not 1st-rounders. Nix especially.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 10 day(s) ago

I think MIN would need to give ARI a king's ransom in a straight trade that moves the Cardinals out of position for MHJ (and possibly Nabers/Odunze). Three 1st RD picks MINIMUM or maybe even a deal involving Justin Jefferson.

It would make more sense for ARI if MIN could incrementally trade up to 1.04 -- something similar to the 2016 PHI/Wentz move -- acquiring 1.05 from LAC to ensure ARI gets Harrison. But we're approaching a week to Day One and there hasn't been a whisper of any movement that points toward such a scenario. I'm beginning to wonder if MIN's plan is to take Byron Murphy II at 1.11 then Penix at 1.23 (or in a small move up/down from 1.23). Penix would be a reach in the 1st RD, but if he's going to hit in the NFL, MIN would be the ideal environment for him to do so.

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This is seriously impressive. I can tell that you're knowledgeable of the type of prospects teams go for -- even into the mid/late rounds. Perfect example: Elijah Jones to KC in the 3rd RD. Jones is the prototypical, long Spagnuolo CB that the Chiefs usually find later in the draft. Great stuff.

The only questionable haul is IND, IMO. Ballard is RAS-obsessed. Bowers has provided no testing numbers, but I understand the need/value match. Lassiter and Estime were disappointing athletic testers. Trends change, but I can't see Ballard not coming out of Day 1 or 2 without at least one RAS monster. This is just nitpicking, though. Overall, this mock is awesome.

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I see we both have the Chargers taking Harbaugh's spirit animal at 2.37.

For the Rams, I'm guessing they'll move Kobie Turner off the nose and into his natural 3T role. I could see EDGE at 1.19 and maybe a 5T like Ruke Orhorhoro at 2.52.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 14 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

I'm guessing that Sweat's ceiling is the 3rd RD now. There were already immaturity/motivation/conditioning concerns with him anyway. I just finished reading Dane Brugler's Beast last night, and his analysis of Sweat based on what he's hearing is not flattering. He now has Sweat as a 4th-rounder. Who knows though -- it only takes one team. (*ahem* BENGALS)

Yeah, street racing and the inevitable hit-and-run seems to be all the rage with the kids right now. It's a real problem in my city. So unbelievably stupid.

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I see we both have the Chargers taking Harbaugh's spirit animal at 2.37.

For the Rams, I'm guessing they'll move Kobie Turner off the nose and into his natural 3T role. I could see EDGE at 1.19 and maybe a 5T like Ruke Orhorhoro at 2.52.

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I see we both have the Chargers taking Harbaugh's spirit animal at 2.37.

For the Rams, I'm guessing they'll move Kobie Turner off the nose and into his natural 3T role. I could see EDGE at 1.19 and maybe a 5T like Ruke Orhorhoro at 2.52.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
8 month(s) 14 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter I added your analysis about the Rams taking older, more seasoned prospects to my blurbs in both rounds in this mock.  I would add that we've even seen that when they had Goff at QB.  I changed it up and now have them taking Latu at 19 and Sweat at 52; I'll be interested to see if Sweat drops even further after the DWI thing.  But hey, at least he didn't crash his car and leave the scene of the accident and get other people injured, amirite?  
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The only problem here is the reasoning for pick 1.06. If Plan A fails, then Schoen/Daboll won't be around to pick another QB in 2025.
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I see we both have the Chargers taking Harbaugh's spirit animal at 2.37.

For the Rams, I'm guessing they'll move Kobie Turner off the nose and into his natural 3T role. I could see EDGE at 1.19 and maybe a 5T like Ruke Orhorhoro at 2.52.

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@The Champ 

I think 1.19 will be Verse or Latu. Older, polished prospects are what the Rams are looking for during the Stafford window.

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I see we both have the Chargers taking Harbaugh's spirit animal at 2.37.

For the Rams, I'm guessing they'll move Kobie Turner off the nose and into his natural 3T role. I could see EDGE at 1.19 and maybe a 5T like Ruke Orhorhoro at 2.52.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
8 month(s) 15 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter I mean, if both Verse and Murphy are on the board at 19 for the Rams, it would be like Christmas for them.  Hell, I could even see them taking Latu if they are confident about his medicals.  
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@42yardline 

1 KC

2 BAL

3 HOU

4 BUF

5 CIN

Then it's the Jets in a scrum with JAX, IND, MIA, CLE, PIT, LAC and maybe LV for the last two playoff spots...and that's IF Rodgers, Hall, M. Williams and T. Smith stay healthy. Long odds.

My biggest fear is that the Jets are a year too late with the all-in approach. It should have began the minute they signed Rodgers and decided to put all of their eggs in that basket. Now Rodgers is coming off a major injury and approaching 41, an age when even the greatest of the all-time great QBs (save for Brady) saw their performance fall off a cliff.

At least there's YouTube, where I can find comfort in Al Toon highlight videos and watching Matt Snell run wild over the Colts for the hundredth time in SBIII.

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That DAL/Fashanu trade up is spot on.
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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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@ilive4chicago thank god u arent running things in Chicago.  
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I think Byron Murphy II could easily be the BPA on Schneider's board if available at 1.16 and would be a great pick for SEA. He could thrive in the Madubuike role in Macdonald's scheme. The Seahawks could always plug LG with Laken Tomlinson or something. Why not upgrade from Dre'Mont Jones and bring the DL from just decent to a legit strength?

Sainristil seems like a Campbell kinda guy, but I'm not sure he'd be worth that 1st RD investment for DET with Branch established in the slot. I know DET said they might move Branch around the secondary a bit more, but Melifonwu and Joseph are entrenched in 2-safety sets, and I can't imagine DET would go too heavy on 3-safety looks considering their talent/depth at LB. I mean, they just burned a 1st on Jack Campbell and he's LB3. I imagine Branch will continue to see a majority of his PT in the slot.

In your scenario, I think DET would go with Latham or Mims. That battering ram O-line has kinda become their team identity and I bet Holmes/Campbell want to keep it that way. Decker might not be around in two years. Why not draft Latham or Mims, plug one in at G for now (returning Glasgow to his deluxe utility lineman role), then when Decker moves on, move Sewell to the blindside and Mims/Latham to RT?

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 19 day(s) ago

@ilive4chicago 

I can tell you like Bowers. I like Bowers. Everybody likes Bowers. I just don't think he's currently a realistic top-10 prospect without those testing numbers. Judging by Ryan Poles' offseason moves, I see no indication that CHI is seriously considering Bowers at 1.09, either. Just trying to follow the breadcrumbs here. We can talk all we want about how Brock Bowers is the greatest TE in college football history, but that doesn't make him the best TE prospect in history, or even recently.

Bower's rugged YAC ability is special, but the simple facts are that we don't have any recent athletic testing numbers on him, and that GA usually schemed him open in the flat, tossed it to him, and let him bounce off some guys for some healthy YAC from there. That's schemed-up production and Bowers being a physical play finisher - not Bowers being an exceptionally athletic play maker - and that's half of his film.

In 2023, Bowers made 48% of his catches behind the LOS. That's an absurdly high rate for a reputed elite TE prospect. For context, Sam LaPorta and T.J. Hockenson made 22% of their catches behind the LOS in college, Dalton Kincaid just 6% and Kyle Pitts just 5%. All of those prospects except LaPorta are bigger, better athletes and better contested catchers than Bowers - and LaPorta went in the 2nd RD. The only TE prospect in recent memory with a behind the LOS catch rate even remotely close to Bowers' was O.J. Howard (40%) in '16. We all know how that turned out.

In the NFL, a TE is lucky to get 5 to 10% of their targets behind the LOS. Bowers won't be able to just catch stuff in the flat and bowl over guys at the next level. There was ample evidence that each of those aforementioned prospects could create their own separation coming out of college and provided workout numbers to back the film up. With Bowers, there's currently neither. With drafting a TE in the top-10 already a very dicey proposition in itself, drafting Bowers top-10 would be ULTRA high-risk without testing numbers.

Until Bowers does more in this pre-draft process than stand around at the Combine looking kinda like a balding, middle-aged scout that works out a bit, I'm gonna call out any mock that has the Bears taking Bowers over Odunze. Odunze is exactly the kind of downfield contested catch winning WR CHI needs to perfectly complement their current speedster and route-runner.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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ilive4chicago 5 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 19 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

Gerald Everett isn't Brock Bowers. It's mostly depth and to coach em up. The Bears have been adding depth at basically every position all offseason. Including TE.

Plus, only the first year is guaranteed. They have a potential out after next season. 

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 19 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

It ain't homerism if it's true.

The Bills will be fine. They'll win the AFC East again. They still have the best QB in the division and have built and maintained their team the right way. I know my Jets, and I know that quick-fix/"win the offseason" teams almost always lay an egg when they hit the field.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 19 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

At the risk of being labeled as a "homer", I was not about to suggest (as you did) that Kincaid could be the top TE in the AFC this year. But I agree with you.

Diggs had 160 targets last year, and someone else on the Bills will be receiving quite a few more targets- so I nominate Kincaid. Seems logical, right?

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 20 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

With Kelce and Andrews in decline, Kincaid could be the best TE in the AFC in very short order.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 20 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Yeah, Diggs' production and price tag just didn't jive anymore. BUF did the right thing and I still think they'll win the AFC East in '24. I understand why HOU did it, too. Gotta go all in while Stroud is on a rookie deal.

I wonder if the addition of Diggs to the HOU attack will make IND and JAX that much more likely to draft CB or aerial weapon in the 1st RD to counteract it. Quinyon Mitchell makes sense for IND with their need at CB, the Ballard/RAS thing, etc, but I'm wondering if they would let Bowers get past them if he's on the board. Gus Bradley CBs have traditionally been found outside the 1st RD.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

I just bought Kincaid's jersey last week, and will be proudly wearing it at the Bills stadium in September. That guy has a very bright future.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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42yardline 21 Posts (2 )
8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago

@The Champ

I'm sure by now Vegas oddsmakers have raised the Bills Super Bowl odds- as they should. The malcontent is gone and he will be missed. But if BUF waited until next year at this time to trade him, I'm sure they would not receive anything close to a 2nd round pick. Diggs will turn 32 in the 2025 season and he is slipping. Check out his receiving stats in the second half of last year- pretty disappointing. He will help the Texans this year but I wonder how many years he will be there considering his age and high salary. 

 
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8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago
Caleb Williams is already on Instagram liking and commenting on apartments for rent in Chicago.
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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

All I know is that I'm getting Dalton Kincaid on my fantasy team next season.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago
@42yardline Well, as we were discussing with Mr. Bitter, I can't believe the Bills actually did this.  I guess I was wrong that he would stick on the roster for one more year.  What a bitter pill that has to be to swallow that much of a dead cap hit for a team that's supposed to be a Super Bowl contender.  They would probably have to move up into the early-to-mid teens to ensure coming away with Thomas.  And is Thomas a guarantee to hit?  Of course he looks like a great prospect and he profiles as a downfield threat, but Buffalo would need him to be good right away.  
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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Yeah, they really had no choice but to eat that dead cap for '24 then be done with it. They obviously have to replace Diggs with a rookie salary, so your trade up prediction for Thomas makes a ton of sense.

That's just the reality of the situation when you have an elite QB making elite QB money; you have no choice but to go cheap at another premium position.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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8 month(s) 21 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter

Never thought Bills would trade Diggs this year because of cap considerations. As it turns out the Bills will get a 31 Million dead cap hit due to this trade.

I guess there is no question now that Buffalo will draft WR in the first round. Knowing GM Brandon Beane's history of moving up in the first round - I predict a move upwards to select Brian Thomas. We'll see how good of a soothsayer I am. Just call me Carnac the Magnificent if I'm right.

 
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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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8 month(s) 22 day(s) ago

@ilive4chicago 

I'm assuming that's what Everett is for. Did Poles give him 2 yr/$12M to sit?

The Bears will finally have a QB with the arm talent to effortlessly attack every level of the field. Odunze as a ladder-climbing deep threat makes more sense, IMO. Or a trade down.

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I'm seriously confused by so much of this mock.

Was that MIN/NYG trade supposed to be MIN/LAC? The Giants are the team MIN would be looking to trade AHEAD of for a QB, not trade WITH. The ensuing NYG pick at 1.11 makes no sense, either. The Giants hired O-line guru Carmen Bricillo to work with RT Evan Neal, signed RT Jermaine Eluemunor as a hedge, and signed Jon Runyan Jr. to start at RG. Why would they target RT/RG J.C Latham?

Where are you hearing that WAS prefers Maye over Daniels at 1.02? All I've heard is that Adam Peters has given zero indication as to what he'll do at 1.02. Honestly curious.

Brock Bowers would be redundant and beyond a luxury pick for the Bears. CHI acquired middle-of-the-field weapons Allen and Everett to go along with Kmet, and D.J. Moore's short-area quickness makes him dangerous on buuble screens, crossing patterns, etc. Teams prioritize diversifying their aerial attack, so why would CHI opt for Bowers over Odunze?

"Olumuyiwa Fashanu looks like a franchise left tackle". The Raiders already have one in Kolton Miller. Fashanu is a finesse blocker who's passive in the run game. He's pretty much the opposite of what Telesco/Pierce are probably looking for at RT/RG. Snot-bubble run-blockers like Fuatanu and Fauga make more sense.

The seriously doubt the Saints will pass on Fautanu, Fuaga or Mims for an EDGE. They just signed Chase Young for 1 yr/$13M and extended Cam Jordan 2 yr/$28M (guaranteed). Carl Granderson (4 yr/$52M) is entrenched as a starter. Isaiah Foskey was a '23 2nd-rounder. It would be stupid to burn any more premium resources on EDGE when they currently have no sure starters at LT, RT, and LG for 2024.

I like Kamari Lassiter and think he's being kinda undervalued right now, but I'd bet my pinkie he doesn't come off the board ahead of Quinyon Mitchell.

Marist Liufau and Johnny Dixon - Day 3/UFA prospects - in the top-40? Ahead of Johnny Newton and Chop Robinson??

Considering Kaden Prather was just out there for Maryland's spring game, going in the 2nd RD would be a neat trick.

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@Mr. Bitter 

what better way to diversify your aerial attack than lining up in 12-personnel with the option to pass out of it with two TE and a pass catching back in Swift. They can always split one of the TEs out and create mismatches.

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I can't imagine Byron Murphy II dropping to 1.27. Dominant interior pass-rushers are becoming more and more valuable with the way the game is evolving.

Also, this is not Mel Kiper's worst nightmare; it's the third-worst at best, behind decaffeinated coffee and a strong gust of wind.

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@The Champ

Also: Charlie Campbell has suggested Melton could go high for a while now I believe.

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@The Champ 

Melton would make sense. I know he went late-1st in Chad Reuter's latest NFL.com mock, and Chris Simms ranked him CB4 ahead of Arnold/Kool-Aid/DeJean (for whatever that's worth).

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@The Champ 

The current O/U on CBs taken in the 1st RD is 5.5. That seems high, even with DeJean listed as a CB. Mitchell and Arnold are 1st rounders for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of Wiggins or DeJean slips to the top of the 2nd RD. Lassiter, Kool-Aid and Rakestraw are looking like 2nd/3rd rounders with the injuries and poor testing, so with the number at 5.5, I'm wondering if there's a toolsy CB prospect we're sleeping on that Vegas anticipates will sneak into the late-1st. Maybe someone like T.J. Tampa or Cam Hart?

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@42yardline 

Denver is a possibility. The Raiders, too. The Broncos have the worst QB depth chart in the league right now. I'm just not sure how they pull it off with so many holes on the roster and no 2nd rounder. Payton isn't opposed to sacrificing future picks, that's for sure.

Still, MIN has to be the heavy favorite to trade up for a top-4 QB. The MIN depth chart is talented enough for a rookie to start immediately and have some success. (Something similar to Ben Roethlisberger in 2004 maybe.) A raw rookie like Maye or McCarthy would be doomed in DEN. Sticking and picking Nix or trading down for Nix or Penix seems more logical. Who knows, though. Desperate times/desperate measures, and Payton/Paton have been making questionable decisions in DEN. 

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@42yardline

I think the only way we see a straight trade between ARI and MIN is if Justin Jefferson is involved. I know the Vikings have said that they're not planning on trading Jefferson, but what teams say in March isn't worth a spit. It's highly unlikely, but not impossible. The MIN front office is all about the analytics and financial balance, so there's a chance they would be okay with moving forward with Jordan Addison as an economical WR1 and T.J. Hockenson as their top 2 aerial weapons.

But The Champ's proposal is probably what will happen.

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@42yardline 

Six QBs could easily go in the 1st RD. After the top six guys, there's a huge fall off. Spencer Rattler is the only prospect after the top six with a chance of going before the 5th RD, IMO.

I don't think QB-needy teams are ever too concerned about what might be available in future drafts. It drives me nuts when I see mocks that have a QB-needy team passing on QB to "wait for Sanders or Ewers". First of all, if Sanders and Ewers are that good, there's no guarantee teams at the top of the '25 draft won't just want them for themselves. Secondly, for all we know the whole Colorado/Prime Time thing could implode next season and Sanders transfers again, and Ewers could continue to struggle with inconsistency and lose his job to Arch Manning. There's just so much unknown involved. It wasn't that long ago that mock drafts were suggesting QB-needy teams should "wait until next year for Spencer Rattler". NFL teams don't operate like that.

QBs at 1-2-3-4 could happen. I buy what Monti Ossenfort is selling when he says he's open for business at 1.04, but at the same time I'm still convinced ARI wants MHJ.

More than anything, ARI is about affording Kyler Murray every opportunity for success. I think an All Pro WR is what they want, not more late-1st/Day 2 picks (of which they already have plenty). Even with all that cap space, the Cardinals have done basically nothing to address their WR depth chart. Teams almost always sign a reasonable hedge or two at need positions to allow for more draft day flexibility. The Cardinals have done nothing. This suggests two things:

1) ARI knows QBs are going 1-2-3.

2) They want MHJ at 1.04 and only a ridiculous king's ransom will get them to trade any lower than 1.05.

The Champ's proposed three-way deal could be exactly what we see happen.

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9 month(s) 3 day(s) ago

@42yardline 

Have a Genesee Cream Ale for me.

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@42yardline

And I hope you don't think I'm disparaging Buffalo in any way. The Bills are a top-notch organization with the best fan base. I was also born in Rochester and am Rust Belt through and through.

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Yeah, he just seems like an odd, high-maintenance dude.

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@42yardline 

I think the Bills may already be a year late with Diggs.

If you had to guess, how rich do you think trade compensation for Diggs would be?

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@The Champ 

It's possible. I'm not reading too much into the brief McDaniel/Worthy exchange. Effusive and humorous is pretty much McDaniel's default setting.

I'm kinda at the other end with what MIA could be targeting on offense. They have plenty of speed. A big, physical WR for Tua to lean on in short yardage/red zone situations is what they need. I think they're doing their due diligence on speedsters like Worthy and Roman Wilson as options at 2.55 because they know keeping both Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle won't be financially tenable if/when they pay Tua.

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@The Champ 

Worthy definitely could go 1st round. I wouldn't be shocked if he was WR4 and drafted top-20. I'm just arguing his fit for BUF in particular, which may need more of a sure thing at WR - especially if Diggs is traded. I think I'm just more concerned about the weight than you guys are. If you run around on an NFL field at less than 170 lbs you're going to get hurt. If you look at the history of slim reaper WR prospects...Paul Richardson, Terrence Edwards, Snoop Minnis, Dede Westbrook, Tavon Austin, etc, etc...the track record is miserable. DeVonta Smith and Tank Dell are the outliers. I like DeVonta, but he's more deluxe WR2 than WR1 and wasn't worth that 1.10 investment, IMO. Dell is already having problems with injuries.

There are also some concerning underlying analytics with Worthy:

Right off the bat, he has a career catch rate <60%. Not good.

His career QBR when targeted - a solid predictive metric for NFL success - would be the lowest of WRs drafted in the last five seasons.

Worthy - in theory - is that lid-lifting deep threat at the NFL level, but he was really never even that at Texas. Only 23% of Worthy's 1014 REC yards last season were deep yards, while nearly 40% of those yards came on screens.

If I'm being purely predictive, I'm guessing late 1st/early 2nd for Worthy. He just scares me and I personally believe he's becoming an overrated prospect. He's my anti-Chop Robinson lol.

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@The Champ 

It would currently be $50M dead money, but if Diggs is traded post-June 1st it's $9M dead money, with $20M cap savings. That's not much more dead money than they just took on by releasing Tre'Davious White.

It just feels like something has to give. The Bills have only $4M in effective cap space and still need to make a few more upgrades, sign their rookies, practice squad, etc. They just gave fresh deals to Dion Dawkins, Taron Johnson, DaQuan Jones. A.J. Epenesa and Taylor Rapp, restructured the Josh Allen and Von Miller deals, and have a good amount of core contributors (Rousseau, Kincaid, Cook, Torrence, etc) on rookie deals, so they don't have a ton of restructuring wiggle room left. They almost have to get younger/cheaper at a premium position and Diggs is declining, expensive and doesn't want to be there.

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I like that Higgins/JAX deal. The Jags have got to get a big WR that can make an immediate impact. Could be some win-now urgency for JAX. There's going to some serious roster churn and perhaps a step back next season in order to pay Trevor Lawrence.

Now the question is whether there's an ex-LSU Tiger slot WR available for the Bengals to sign.

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@42yardline 

Thanks, and likewise. You could easily be right. No risk it, no biscuit. Worthy is just so skinny. It's a concern. Especially out there in the cold AFC East with those 6-1/205ish freakish press corners like Sauce, Ramsey, Gonzalez, Fuller...I dunno. Those guys are great athletes in their own right and got Worthy by 35-40 pounds.  Just feels like they would jam Worthy up all day and never give him a bite to eat, especially early in his career. Seems like more of a 2nd round risk/reward investment, but I could be totally wrong.

So what do you think is going to happen with Diggs? It's beginning to feel like an irreconcilable differences-type situation in BUF and he'll be with the Giants, Steelers or Ravens or something before long.

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@42yardline 

I agree that BUF needs a WR - especially one that would allow Allen to stretch his arm out. (Also, Stefon Diggs probably isn't long for Buffalo.) If Brian Thomas is available the Bills better be all over that. I worry about Worthy translating, though.

The Worthy/Tyreek comps seem gracious. There's a huge difference between 5-11/165 and 5-8/185. Tyreek is short, but has always had a dense, muscular build and been very strong/physical off the line and in contested catch situations. Worthy is a flat out string bean. For as fast as he is, he's not very quick off the line and will probably always have trouble getting off vs. physical press coverage. I get that 4.21 is still 4.21, but I think Worthy would be a pretty high-risk 1st-rounder.

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Breaking the chalk at #4. Ballsy. I like it.

I'm with you on CIN addressing RT before the draft. They're reportedly in talks with Mekhi Becton. (Good riddance.) I'm thinking the Bengals come out of Day One with Thomas or (my darkhorse for CIN) Graham Barton.

Bowers to the Jets feels more likely by the day. They're currently kicking the tires on Mike Williams and Jadeveon Clowney. Should the Jets sign them, TE becomes arguably the only hole in their lineup. (Safety is suspect, but they're obviously not taking a safety at #10.) The free agent TE well is dry and Bowers is the only TE in the draft ready to hit the ground running in the NFL.

Love that DEN trade back for Penix. Very possible.

I still think WR is a strong possibility for BUF. They really need to clear some cap room and Diggs is making noise about wanting out again. I'm wondering if they may have had enough of Diggs. He's 30, in decline and a bit of a pain in the ass.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
9 month(s) 7 day(s) ago

@The Champ

Yeah it is, and Brown is a much better option than Becton. I was surprised to learn that Brown is still just 30. Feels like he's been around for two decades. I was expecting to read that he's 34 or something.

Speaking of buy low RT options - I'm curious to see what happens with Jack Conklin. He's definitely done in CLE with Dawand Jones ready to start at RT. The injuries are an obvious concern with Conklin, but he's just 29 and would come relatively cheap. Still a bulldozer RT when healthy.

The Titans are sniffing around Andrus Peat. I have to assume they're looking at him as a RG with OT flexibility, but with their FA overpays/miscalculations the last two years...who knows. If they sign him and it's at some ridiculous number, maybe Alt's floor being 1.07 is no longer a lock. Would be interesting to see what ATL does if Alt is on the board for them. They're set at OT, but Matthews has some age on him and Fontenot is a textbook BPA guy.

Been reading that the Panthers are interested in Tee Higgins but don't want to give up 2.33. There's some chatter that CAR/CIN might try to get something done involving Higgins and Derrick Brown. Seems unlikely, but it would make some sense.

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Breaking the chalk at #4. Ballsy. I like it.

I'm with you on CIN addressing RT before the draft. They're reportedly in talks with Mekhi Becton. (Good riddance.) I'm thinking the Bengals come out of Day One with Thomas or (my darkhorse for CIN) Graham Barton.

Bowers to the Jets feels more likely by the day. They're currently kicking the tires on Mike Williams and Jadeveon Clowney. Should the Jets sign them, TE becomes arguably the only hole in their lineup. (Safety is suspect, but they're obviously not taking a safety at #10.) The free agent TE well is dry and Bowers is the only TE in the draft ready to hit the ground running in the NFL.

Love that DEN trade back for Penix. Very possible.

I still think WR is a strong possibility for BUF. They really need to clear some cap room and Diggs is making noise about wanting out again. I'm wondering if they may have had enough of Diggs. He's 30, in decline and a bit of a pain in the ass.

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Breaking the chalk at #4. Ballsy. I like it.

I'm with you on CIN addressing RT before the draft. They're reportedly in talks with Mekhi Becton. (Good riddance.) I'm thinking the Bengals come out of Day One with Thomas or (my darkhorse for CIN) Graham Barton.

Bowers to the Jets feels more likely by the day. They're currently kicking the tires on Mike Williams and Jadeveon Clowney. Should the Jets sign them, TE becomes arguably the only hole in their lineup. (Safety is suspect, but they're obviously not taking a safety at #10.) The free agent TE well is dry and Bowers is the only TE in the draft ready to hit the ground running in the NFL.

Love that DEN trade back for Penix. Very possible.

I still think WR is a strong possibility for BUF. They really need to clear some cap room and Diggs is making noise about wanting out again. I'm wondering if they may have had enough of Diggs. He's 30, in decline and a bit of a pain in the ass.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 7 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter Trent Brown is flying to Cincinnati and will apparently visit the Bengals tomorrow.  I must say, my blurb on #18 might be looking pretty, pretty good!  
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Ditto on what The Champ said about LAR/JPJ.

I like the PIT/Barton match, but not the trade down. I don't agree that he's an overdraft in the 20-30 range and there's no guarantee he makes it past MIA or DAL.

I doubt the Packers would need to move up for DeJean at this point.

I kinda need to know why I keep hearing that OT is a pressing need for the Bears. Braxton Jones is young, inexpensive and the physical LT prototype. The CHI brain trust says nothing but positive things about him. He finished 2nd in pass blocking win rate among starting OTs last season at 96%, behind only Trent Williams. Jones also finished tied at #5 with Tyron Smith in run blocking win rate among all OTs. That's ahead of Penei Sewell. It just feels like if Jones had 1st RD instead of 5th RD on his player bio there would never be a single mention of replacing him.

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Ditto on what The Champ said about LAR/JPJ.

I like the PIT/Barton match, but not the trade down. I don't agree that he's an overdraft in the 20-30 range and there's no guarantee he makes it past MIA or DAL.

I doubt the Packers would need to move up for DeJean at this point.

I kinda need to know why I keep hearing that OT is a pressing need for the Bears. Braxton Jones is young, inexpensive and the physical LT prototype. The CHI brain trust says nothing but positive things about him. He finished 2nd in pass blocking win rate among starting OTs last season at 96%, behind only Trent Williams. Jones also finished tied at #5 with Tyron Smith in run blocking win rate among all OTs. That's ahead of Penei Sewell. It just feels like if Jones had 1st RD instead of 5th RD on his player bio there would never be a single mention of replacing him.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 7 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter Agree on the Bears OT situation.  I don't think they would use early draft capital on that spot.  
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9 month(s) 7 day(s) ago

Just when you think you'll never have to think about Steve DeBerg again...

Also, great mock. Except Latu at 14. He's trending toward late 1st if not the 2nd, and the Saints usually go for "upside" pterodactyls at EDGE instead of production/average athlete types like Latu.

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@jtrapp1962 

I remember reading about that. I also remember reports of DUIs and a potential drinking problem. I ignored it at the time and bought into the Mac Jones pre-draft hype. Oops.

I would say that McCarthy has better arm talent and athleticism than Mac Jones.

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@jtrapp1962 

It's hard to say with the Giants and McCarthy. I tend to agree that they won't draft him because Schoen/Daboll probably don't have a long enough leash for a reset, but at the same time Daniel Jones really sucks. I could see the Giants falling in love with McCarthy's leadership/flashes, but odds are good that his NFL ceiling is basically Daniel Jones. I find it interesting that a bunch of "Giants love McCarthy" reports came out immediately after the MIN trade was announced. Do the Giants REALLY love McCarthy or is it just, "Yeah yeah yeah - come on Vikings, trade ahead of us for McCarthy so Malik Nabers falls into our lap"?

Still think MIN would trade up for McCarthy if they're sold on him. Maybe even at #4. DEN's QB situation is just as dire and they may want to move up too.

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No Chop Robinson in the first two rounds?
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No Chop Robinson in the first two rounds?
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@jtrapp1962 

Yeah, I commented about a week ago when he was reworking his mock I think. Chop is going in the 1st round. No doubt. Most explosive first step in recent memory, RAS monster and the "unproductive" narrative is wildly overblown. Was playing hurt last season but still got 4 sacks and 7 TFL in his 7 games, and his pass rush/win rate metric rankings since the beginning of 2022 are behind only Latu in college football. Unlike 23 year-old Latu, Chop did this at 19 and 20 years old.

I thought Penix was in play for PIT before the Fields trade. Highly unlikely now. I'm guessing DEN or SEA, maybe the Rams. He's a difficult projection. I wouldn't be surprised if he went 1.12 or in the 3rd round.

Coleman is a darkhorse late 1st-rounder, IMO.

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@Mr. Bitter They have him at 35, going to the Cardinals.

No way Penix goes to the Steelers, and no way Coleman falls to 61st.   40 times are not as important as GPS times; this is 2024, not 2017.

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Breaking the chalk at #4. Ballsy. I like it.

I'm with you on CIN addressing RT before the draft. They're reportedly in talks with Mekhi Becton. (Good riddance.) I'm thinking the Bengals come out of Day One with Thomas or (my darkhorse for CIN) Graham Barton.

Bowers to the Jets feels more likely by the day. They're currently kicking the tires on Mike Williams and Jadeveon Clowney. Should the Jets sign them, TE becomes arguably the only hole in their lineup. (Safety is suspect, but they're obviously not taking a safety at #10.) The free agent TE well is dry and Bowers is the only TE in the draft ready to hit the ground running in the NFL.

Love that DEN trade back for Penix. Very possible.

I still think WR is a strong possibility for BUF. They really need to clear some cap room and Diggs is making noise about wanting out again. I'm wondering if they may have had enough of Diggs. He's 30, in decline and a bit of a pain in the ass.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 9 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter I could definitely see Buffalo moving on from Diggs.  In fact, that was my assumption after the season ended.  The Bills were able to win games in the last 2 months of the season without Diggs really doing a ton other than catching passes near the LOS.  The vibes there are clearly off.  
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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
9 month(s) 12 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

Your speculation on the offseason QB movement has been spot on, and you're right (again) about Brissett. Classic bridge QB. Gotta be a QB at #3.

I grossly overestimated the market for Fields. I figured at least one QB-desperate team would bite on his "upside". Whiff. I should have known that a QB with 38 fumbles, 30 INTs, 135 sacks and a 60% completion rate in 30 career starts doesn't fit ANY system. As you said, he's probably going to need to rehabilitate his stock as a backup somewhere. No idea where that might be.

You're probably right about the Bears being as likely to trade down. I assumed they would address EDGE during FA to free up their 1st round options, but with the few available top shelf EDGE guys already ransacked, it appears they will need to get the EDGE during the draft. (Unless they get crazy and trade for Joey Bosa or Haason Reddick or something.) I'm currently leaning CHI sticking and picking Dallas Turner (if ATL passes on him) or Jared Verse at 1.9, or trading down a bit for my guy Chop Robinson. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bears kick the tires on Tee Higgins, either.

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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 13 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter I would be pretty shocked if New England turned to Fields; I think signing Brissett is a clear indication that they want to pick a rookie QB at 3 and have him be the bridge guy.  If the move was trading for Fields, I don't think you sign a veteran backup like Brissett, and you don't make them compete.  You'd be getting Fields to see what he can do.  To me, they would have just kept Zappe in the backup role.  I do agree with you that the Pats continue to make curious moves, but it just doesn't line up logically to me.  I truly have no idea where Fields may end up.  If the Giants bite the bullet on Jones and cut him, maybe, as Drew Lock probably wouldn't be much of an impediment (he only got $5MM).  Even still, I find that as a longshot.  Denver to me is a longshot because it's such an awful scheme fit with Sean Payton, worse than Russell Wilson was, actually.  I really think he may end up on some team as a backup.  I also think that it would be a mistake by Chicago to bring him into training camp or even OTA's, because any energy NOT spent going to developing Caleb Williams will be to Chicago's detriment. 

Speaking of the Bears, I absolutely could see them trading up for one of Nabers/Odunze, particularly if either of them are still there at #7.  As long as the Titans don't want either of those guys for themselves and are eyeing, say, Joe Alt, the Titans could reasonably move to 9 and still get Alt because it's unlikely that Atlanta, at 8, would take him.  (Of course, there's always the chance that a team could trade up to 8 for Alt, and that Atlanta could trade down.)  On the other hand, the Bears only have 5 picks in this draft, and they clearly won't be getting a premium pick or picks for Fields.  As such, I could also see them trading DOWN from 9.  

 
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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
9 month(s) 14 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

Yeah, your MIN/LAC/J.J. McCarthy scenario is looking good after today's FA action. Nice call. Great point about the Chargers being unlikely to do their division rivals any favors, too.

The only potential monkey wrench I foresee is the possibility of Drake Maye slipping. There's a ton of smoke right now about Maye being very overrated by the media, and NFL evaluators seeing him as a mid-1st prospect. I can buy it. He's very erratic, a suspect processor, generally didn't show up in big games, and his athleticism is kinda overrated.

I have a feeling the Pats might do something unexpected at 1.3, whether it's opting for McCarthy over Maye or passing on a QB at 1.3 and trading down. I haven't disqualified NE from the Justin Fields destinations list either. It would be an awful decision, but the Pats are making a flurry of awful decisions right now. 

I pretty much crossed Vegas off the list of potential Justin Fields destinations the minute they hired OC Luke Getsy. It's been clearly established that Fields in Getsy's scheme is a square peg/circle situation. It's too bad, because I'm curious to see if Fields could blossom in a dome/warm weather division.

I can't shake the feeling that the Bears won't want to sit at 1.9 and hope that Odunze falls to them. Ryan Poles has been nothing but proactive since taking over as GM. He has shown a knack for smelling blood in the water and fleecing desperate, poorly run organizations (CAR/Young, WAS/Sweat). The Pats currently qualify as a poorly run organization. I have a hunch that Poles could go for the kill shot and trade up to 1.3 for MHJ. The Bears could offer NE 1.9, their 2025 1st-rounder, the 2025 2nd-rounder acquired from CAR, and maybe even Fields.

If MHJ pops off at 1.3, then perhaps ARI would be inclined to trade down. That would open the door for DEN and LV to move up, but even in that scenario, MIN could have the upper hand as they could conceivably offer the Cardinals Justin Jefferson in a trade.

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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 14 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter Obviously, major news today.  With Cousins officially to ATL, we can obviously rule them out for McCarthy or any other QB in the draft.  And with Minshew to the Raiders, the landing spots for Justin Fields are close to nil.  Minnesota doesn't make sense for a variety of reasons (not a scheme fit, plus unlikely Chicago would risk trading him in the division), and if New England goes QB at 3 (which I think they will), trading for Fields doesn't make sense, either, because you don't give up meaningful draft capital for a one-year rental.  (And they can't exercise his fifth-year option if they are taking a QB at 3.)  

I think this increases the likelihood of Minnesota trying to make an aggressive move up the board for JJ McCarthy, and I continue to think that a deal with the Chargers at 5 makes the most sense.  Quite simply, moving up to 5 should mean that the Chargers wouldn't entertain the thought of Denver or the Raiders moving up into that spot.  

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9 month(s) 16 day(s) ago

And the really, really underrated brother...Sunny D McKinstry.

Not sure if the Ravens have given up on Rashad Bateman being that physical YAC guy. The way BAL traditionally prioritizes the trenches, I think they'd be all over Graham Barton in your scenario. Barton has Marshall Yanda written all over him.

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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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9 month(s) 16 day(s) ago

@The Champ

As for the Giants, they definitely should be looking to move on from Daniel Jones. It's just that everyone in the world seems to know that but the Giants. Schoen/Daboll are on the hot seat and I'm not sure if they have a long enough leash for a reset. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing they just sign a veteran retread to challenge DJ. (They're reportedly already sniffing around Russell Wilson. Bad sign.) Sadly, I think this may just be the classic scenario where GM/HC stay loyal to the QB that eventually gets them fired.

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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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9 month(s) 16 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

I have a feeling SEA will find a way to come out of this draft with a QB, hell or high water. It's time. Penix makes total sense with the UDub connection, but I wonder if 1.16 is too rich, and there's no guarantee he'll be there for them if they trade down. I mean, if Penix is their guy they should just take him at 1.16, but I also wonder if - with UM guys Macdonald and Harbaugh on the staff - SEA could have intel that makes them just as likely to move up for McCarthy. I'm thinking McCarthy would make even more sense than Penix, as Penix is pretty much maxed out and McCarthy is only 21 and generally regarded as a prospect that may need to sit for a year. The SEA brain trust have kinda made it obvious that they kept Geno Smith around as a 1-year bridge QB. Can't help but think something's brewing. I could see SEA moving up to 1.5 or 1.7 for McCarthy. Total boom-or-bust, but SEA can't just remain in QB limbo forever.

I would love to see Ladd McConkey in ATL's new scheme. He just fits Robinson's offense like a glove and is exactly what they need to complement London and Pitts. Almost feels too obvious with McConkey being a GA Bulldog and all.

I don't know a lot about what Chris Shula's schematic tendencies are, but from what little he offered up in his presser I'm guessing the LAR defense will look about the same next season. That makes Q. Mitchell a good fit, as the Rams were very zone-heavy and Mitchell played exclusively zone at Toledo. Like, he has NO man to be found on tape other than a handful of reps at the Senior Bowl. He looked fine in man at the Senior Bowl, but man-heavy teams may want a bigger sample size. I gotta think he and Arnold pop off in the top-16 (along with my guy Chop lol).

Can't wait for free agency to kick off so we get more clarity. Looking forward to more Champ mocks when the free agency dust settles a bit.

 

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Great mock. I can't argue with a single pick in the 1st round. The only eye-widener for me was Q. Mitchell falling to 1.23. Do you anticipate him being on the board longer than most expect or was that just kinda the way your mock played out?

My only nitpick is ATL/Coleman. Not that it's a bad value pick or a ridiculous idea or something, I just think ATL could be focused on getting a shiftier, Malachi Corley-type WR on Day 2 to diversify the aerial attack.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 16 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter You make a good point on Coleman, and in thinking about it, Fontenot loves freak athleticism, at least in the 1st Round.  Coleman can make highlight-reel plays and data suggests that he reaches top speeds when he runs, but the 40 time may simply be a disqualifier for Fontenot.  And there are some concerns about separating as well.  

Regarding Mitchell, it was just the way the mock played out, and I wouldn't be shocked if he goes as CB1 before Arnold, meaning he could be in play at any time after #10, really.  If the Rams don't come away with a CB1 solution during free agency (either by a signing or with a trade), perhaps Mitchell would be the pick over Latu at #19 if both were on the board.  I think Latu would be a great pick for them but perhaps the prior medical history would sway them to take Mitchell instead.  (And I know you think Chop will go very high, and he may, but I might be too high on him in this mock.) 

I'm also really toying with the idea of Penix landing with Seattle, due to the Grubb connection and the fact that Seattle certainly isn't tied to Geno Smith beyond this year.  I'm also wondering if the Giants, armed with two 2nd Round picks, do something to try to secure a QB in this draft.  

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I'm calling my shot now.

The Patriots - who claim to be all about "fresh ideas" but just keep hiring extensions of Belichick and doing Belichick things like grossly overpaying Hunter Henry - will pass on Drake Maye at 1.3 and trade down.

Chicago GM Ryan Poles, after using some of that ample cap space to address EDGE and FS in free agency (something like Josh Uche or Bryce Huff and Kevin Byard), will decide not to wait around at 1.9 and hope Rome Odunze falls into CHI's lap. Instead, he'll go for the kill shot; trading 1.9, their 2025 1st-rounder and their extra '25 2nd-rounder acquired from CAR in the Bryce Young deal to the Pats for 1.3, where Poles will draft Marvin Harrison Jr. and complete the greatest trade heist in NFL history.

Poles will have turned the assets acquired in the CAR trade into:

QB Caleb Williams

WR D.J. Moore

WR Marvin Harrison Jr.

OT Darnell Wright

CB Tyrique Stevenson

(And whoever they draft with the final component - the '24 4th-rounder acquired from PHI in last years trade down.)

Five surefire starters with Pro Bowl potential. Two with HOF potential. For Bryce Young. Ryan Poles should be arrested.

Mark my words: This is going to happen. Get on those Chicago Bears Super Bowl futures now.

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One more nitpick:

Like you said, some reputable sources - including Charlie - have suggested that MHJ/Nabers is closer to a WR1a/WR1b situation than WR1/WR2, with Nabers possibly even ahead of MHJ on a few boards. This begs the question: If things got weird at #4 and ARI opted for Nabers, do you think the Chargers would take MHJ over Bowers at #5? I do, and I think most would agree. Assuming MHJ and Nabers have similar grades, why is the idea of of the Chargers taking Nabers at 1.5 not as "obvious"? Mike Williams is as good as gone and there's no guarantee that Keenan Allen or Quinton Johnston will be rostered by '25.

While I don't disagree that Harbaugh values the TE in his scheme, I think the primary schematic goal is to achieve run/pass balance, with an emphasis on overall physicality. I don't think that necessarily makes WR a lesser priority.

During his relatively short run in SF, Harbaugh - even with 2009 1.10 pick Michael Crabtree at WR1 and Frank Gore the established offensive fulcrum - annually made aggressive moves in an attempt to level up the passing attack, including everything from burning a 2012 1st-rounder on A.J Jenkins, to contracts for vets Mario Manningham and Anquan Boldin, and even luring Randy Moss out of retirement for a cup of coffee in 2012. In contrast, the only TE transaction made during Harbaugh's tenure was 2013 Day Two pick Vance McDonald, a 6-4/267, physical successor to Vernon Davis who was more serviceable than star.

Even at Michigan, Harbaugh was a balanced recruiter and annually signed 4 and 5-star WR preps and transfers. Roman Wilson, A.J. Henning, Tyler Morris, Tarik Black, Nico Collins, Cornellus Johnson, etc., were all blue-chip recruits. 2017 signee Donovan Peoples-Jones was generally ranked as WR1/WR2 overall in his class.

I don't disagree that Harbaugh would love Bowers, but I think he could love a Day Two prospect like Ben Stinnott just as much if not more, as he would come at a more reasonable value range, would bring more physical in-line blocking and is closer to the physical TE profile Harbaugh has traditionally sought (6-4 to 6-6/255ish).

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One more nitpick:

Like you said, some reputable sources - including Charlie - have suggested that MHJ/Nabers is closer to a WR1a/WR1b situation than WR1/WR2, with Nabers possibly even ahead of MHJ on a few boards. This begs the question: If things got weird at #4 and ARI opted for Nabers, do you think the Chargers would take MHJ over Bowers at #5? I do, and I think most would agree. Assuming MHJ and Nabers have similar grades, why is the idea of of the Chargers taking Nabers at 1.5 not as "obvious"? Mike Williams is as good as gone and there's no guarantee that Keenan Allen or Quinton Johnston will be rostered by '25.

While I don't disagree that Harbaugh values the TE in his scheme, I think the primary schematic goal is to achieve run/pass balance, with an emphasis on overall physicality. I don't think that necessarily makes WR a lesser priority.

During his relatively short run in SF, Harbaugh - even with 2009 1.10 pick Michael Crabtree at WR1 and Frank Gore the established offensive fulcrum - annually made aggressive moves in an attempt to level up the passing attack, including everything from burning a 2012 1st-rounder on A.J Jenkins, to contracts for vets Mario Manningham and Anquan Boldin, and even luring Randy Moss out of retirement for a cup of coffee in 2012. In contrast, the only TE transaction made during Harbaugh's tenure was 2013 Day Two pick Vance McDonald, a 6-4/267, physical successor to Vernon Davis who was more serviceable than star.

Even at Michigan, Harbaugh was a balanced recruiter and annually signed 4 and 5-star WR preps and transfers. Roman Wilson, A.J. Henning, Tyler Morris, Tarik Black, Nico Collins, Cornellus Johnson, etc., were all blue-chip recruits. 2017 signee Donovan Peoples-Jones was generally ranked as WR1/WR2 overall in his class.

I don't disagree that Harbaugh would love Bowers, but I think he could love a Day Two prospect like Ben Stinnott just as much if not more, as he would come at a more reasonable value range, would bring more physical in-line blocking and is closer to the physical TE profile Harbaugh has traditionally sought (6-4 to 6-6/255ish).

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9 month(s) 18 day(s) ago

@The Champ 

That's all true about ATL/Cousins. It's all gonna depend on where Cousins wants to be. We'll find out soon enough.

SEA/Penix makes sense. It'll all depend on which QB Schneider is most smitten with. Personally, I think it's time to think big at QB for SEA.

If MIN's plan is to build around a rookie QB, I'm not sure why they're currently doing stuff like banging out a new contract with Justin Jefferson and reworking Marcus Davenport's deal. Jefferson is going to want out if Cousins walks, in which case MIN should already be looking into trading JJ (bumping Jordan Addison to WR1) and stockpiling some of that premium draft currency they know they're going to lose in a trade up to the top five. (They already have no 3rd-rounder as it is.) And dead weight like Davenport should just be cut if Adofo-Mensah is intent on a reset.

Adofo-Mensah better be careful. Cousins was arguably the best QB in the NFC before his injury. Odds are he's not going to get that out of the 3rd or 4th QB off the board. Definitely not in '24, and likely never. I get financial responsibility, but a GM has to find balance and know when to take his shots, otherwise you get stuck in terminal Tampa Bay Rays-style wheel spinning. You lose your stars, and eventually your fan base.

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I had trouble deciding between Wiggins and Latham for PIT. I think Wiggins makes a ton of sense. The Steelers currently have nothing on their CB depth chart beyond Porter. I'm kinda just waiting to see what the Steelers do in FA for more clarity. If they sign an economical vet like Trent Brown or something to play RT, then it's Wiggins.

The Arizona Cardinals, man lol. So hard to predict what they'll do. They always have a weird board and beyond Kyler Murray, Tre McBride, Paris Johnson and Budda Baker, every single position could use an upgrade. And I'm not completely sure they wouldn't trade Murray for the right package.

I'm beginning to think that Bowers might pop off closer to where you have him than where I do (#6). I'll be watching his Combine performance closely.

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9 month(s) 18 day(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter I've done an updated Post-Combine mock, but I would go ahead and put Fautanu as a 1st Round lock.  He may even be able to stick at tackle after his Combine measurements.  
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I had trouble deciding between Wiggins and Latham for PIT. I think Wiggins makes a ton of sense. The Steelers currently have nothing on their CB depth chart beyond Porter. I'm kinda just waiting to see what the Steelers do in FA for more clarity. If they sign an economical vet like Trent Brown or something to play RT, then it's Wiggins.

The Arizona Cardinals, man lol. So hard to predict what they'll do. They always have a weird board and beyond Kyler Murray, Tre McBride, Paris Johnson and Budda Baker, every single position could use an upgrade. And I'm not completely sure they wouldn't trade Murray for the right package.

I'm beginning to think that Bowers might pop off closer to where you have him than where I do (#6). I'll be watching his Combine performance closely.

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One more nitpick:

Like you said, some reputable sources - including Charlie - have suggested that MHJ/Nabers is closer to a WR1a/WR1b situation than WR1/WR2, with Nabers possibly even ahead of MHJ on a few boards. This begs the question: If things got weird at #4 and ARI opted for Nabers, do you think the Chargers would take MHJ over Bowers at #5? I do, and I think most would agree. Assuming MHJ and Nabers have similar grades, why is the idea of of the Chargers taking Nabers at 1.5 not as "obvious"? Mike Williams is as good as gone and there's no guarantee that Keenan Allen or Quinton Johnston will be rostered by '25.

While I don't disagree that Harbaugh values the TE in his scheme, I think the primary schematic goal is to achieve run/pass balance, with an emphasis on overall physicality. I don't think that necessarily makes WR a lesser priority.

During his relatively short run in SF, Harbaugh - even with 2009 1.10 pick Michael Crabtree at WR1 and Frank Gore the established offensive fulcrum - annually made aggressive moves in an attempt to level up the passing attack, including everything from burning a 2012 1st-rounder on A.J Jenkins, to contracts for vets Mario Manningham and Anquan Boldin, and even luring Randy Moss out of retirement for a cup of coffee in 2012. In contrast, the only TE transaction made during Harbaugh's tenure was 2013 Day Two pick Vance McDonald, a 6-4/267, physical successor to Vernon Davis who was more serviceable than star.

Even at Michigan, Harbaugh was a balanced recruiter and annually signed 4 and 5-star WR preps and transfers. Roman Wilson, A.J. Henning, Tyler Morris, Tarik Black, Nico Collins, Cornellus Johnson, etc., were all blue-chip recruits. 2017 signee Donovan Peoples-Jones was generally ranked as WR1/WR2 overall in his class.

I don't disagree that Harbaugh would love Bowers, but I think he could love a Day Two prospect like Ben Stinnott just as much if not more, as he would come at a more reasonable value range, would bring more physical in-line blocking and is closer to the physical TE profile Harbaugh has traditionally sought (6-4 to 6-6/255ish).

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
9 month(s) 18 day(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter I think the Vikes coaching staff is interested in having Cousins back, sure.  But Adofo-Mensah is an analytics guy.  I just have the sense that he's not willing to offer more than 1 guaranteed year this time.  And that he wants to try the whole "QB on a rookie deal and build up the rest of the roster" thing.  And I'm confident that ATL will offer more than 1 guaranteed year.  I think they are tired of losing in a winnable division, the roster is actually in decent shape, and the scheme is perfect for Cousins because it's essentially going to be the same offense.  They'll be the clear favorite in that division with him.  

Oh, and I'm watching Seattle for Penix, not to move up for one of the top 4 QB's.  You know, the Ryan Grubb connection.  I don't think they would necessarily take him at 16, but perhaps a trade down and then still taking him in the late 1st could work.  

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One more nitpick:

Like you said, some reputable sources - including Charlie - have suggested that MHJ/Nabers is closer to a WR1a/WR1b situation than WR1/WR2, with Nabers possibly even ahead of MHJ on a few boards. This begs the question: If things got weird at #4 and ARI opted for Nabers, do you think the Chargers would take MHJ over Bowers at #5? I do, and I think most would agree. Assuming MHJ and Nabers have similar grades, why is the idea of of the Chargers taking Nabers at 1.5 not as "obvious"? Mike Williams is as good as gone and there's no guarantee that Keenan Allen or Quinton Johnston will be rostered by '25.

While I don't disagree that Harbaugh values the TE in his scheme, I think the primary schematic goal is to achieve run/pass balance, with an emphasis on overall physicality. I don't think that necessarily makes WR a lesser priority.

During his relatively short run in SF, Harbaugh - even with 2009 1.10 pick Michael Crabtree at WR1 and Frank Gore the established offensive fulcrum - annually made aggressive moves in an attempt to level up the passing attack, including everything from burning a 2012 1st-rounder on A.J Jenkins, to contracts for vets Mario Manningham and Anquan Boldin, and even luring Randy Moss out of retirement for a cup of coffee in 2012. In contrast, the only TE transaction made during Harbaugh's tenure was 2013 Day Two pick Vance McDonald, a 6-4/267, physical successor to Vernon Davis who was more serviceable than star.

Even at Michigan, Harbaugh was a balanced recruiter and annually signed 4 and 5-star WR preps and transfers. Roman Wilson, A.J. Henning, Tyler Morris, Tarik Black, Nico Collins, Cornellus Johnson, etc., were all blue-chip recruits. 2017 signee Donovan Peoples-Jones was generally ranked as WR1/WR2 overall in his class.

I don't disagree that Harbaugh would love Bowers, but I think he could love a Day Two prospect like Ben Stinnott just as much if not more, as he would come at a more reasonable value range, would bring more physical in-line blocking and is closer to the physical TE profile Harbaugh has traditionally sought (6-4 to 6-6/255ish).

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@The Champ 

I'm not convinced that the ATL/Cousins reports aren't just being put out there as negotiation leverage. It's becoming more and more common for guys like Rapoport, Florio, King, etc, to be utilized in that capacity. It's naive to think otherwise.

I'm still confident MIN resigns Cousins. What's being kinda forgotten in the excitement for a potential QB landscape shakeup is just how much Cousins was thriving in O'Connell's system before the injury. He's a great culture and system fit in Minnesota. To give that up and trade precious draft assets to move up for a maybe like Maye or McCarthy at 1.5 is basically saying to '25 free agent Justin Jefferson (who loves Cousins) "we're packing it in for a while". It just doesn't make sense - unless the plan in MIN is to just blow it up and rebuild. 

I do agree that 1.5 is an obvious trade down spot though, especially with JJ McCarthy's stock taking on so much helium lately. I have to think Hortiz/Harbaugh are just itching to rebuild the O-line and defense. Thing is, they currently have the worst cap situation in the NFL and no extra draft picks. They have to find a way to get more '24 Day Two dart throws and maybe even some extra '25 draft ammo. With Tuipulotu ready to start, I'm guessing either Mack or Bosa is traded, which could fetch a Day Two pick, but more is needed.

Unless they are absolutely in love with Nabers or Bowers, or have one particular OT graded much higher than the rest of the pack, I think the Chargers would be good trading down as far as 1.16, where at least one of the similarly graded, physical RTs (Alt, Fuaga, Mims, Latham) could still be available. Even one or more of Terrion Arnold, Quinyon Mitchell, Jared Verse, Laiatu Latu or Byron Murphy II could still be on the board.

I think SEA is the most likely team to sell the farm and trade up to 1.5 for Maye or McCarthy. Not because they're the most QB-desperate team, but because they're the team most ideally situated to let Maye or McCarthy sit and learn for a while. They also offer a buffet of offensive talent for when that QB is ready to enter the lineup. Giving up the premium picks it would take to jump up that high would sting for SEA, but now would be the time to do it. They have an ideal bridge QB, and their most pressing needs are at S, LB, IOL - positions that can be addressed with mid-round picks or even a few savvy, buy-low cap casualty pickups.

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One more nitpick:

Like you said, some reputable sources - including Charlie - have suggested that MHJ/Nabers is closer to a WR1a/WR1b situation than WR1/WR2, with Nabers possibly even ahead of MHJ on a few boards. This begs the question: If things got weird at #4 and ARI opted for Nabers, do you think the Chargers would take MHJ over Bowers at #5? I do, and I think most would agree. Assuming MHJ and Nabers have similar grades, why is the idea of of the Chargers taking Nabers at 1.5 not as "obvious"? Mike Williams is as good as gone and there's no guarantee that Keenan Allen or Quinton Johnston will be rostered by '25.

While I don't disagree that Harbaugh values the TE in his scheme, I think the primary schematic goal is to achieve run/pass balance, with an emphasis on overall physicality. I don't think that necessarily makes WR a lesser priority.

During his relatively short run in SF, Harbaugh - even with 2009 1.10 pick Michael Crabtree at WR1 and Frank Gore the established offensive fulcrum - annually made aggressive moves in an attempt to level up the passing attack, including everything from burning a 2012 1st-rounder on A.J Jenkins, to contracts for vets Mario Manningham and Anquan Boldin, and even luring Randy Moss out of retirement for a cup of coffee in 2012. In contrast, the only TE transaction made during Harbaugh's tenure was 2013 Day Two pick Vance McDonald, a 6-4/267, physical successor to Vernon Davis who was more serviceable than star.

Even at Michigan, Harbaugh was a balanced recruiter and annually signed 4 and 5-star WR preps and transfers. Roman Wilson, A.J. Henning, Tyler Morris, Tarik Black, Nico Collins, Cornellus Johnson, etc., were all blue-chip recruits. 2017 signee Donovan Peoples-Jones was generally ranked as WR1/WR2 overall in his class.

I don't disagree that Harbaugh would love Bowers, but I think he could love a Day Two prospect like Ben Stinnott just as much if not more, as he would come at a more reasonable value range, would bring more physical in-line blocking and is closer to the physical TE profile Harbaugh has traditionally sought (6-4 to 6-6/255ish).

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@Mr. Bitter I personally agree that Bowers will be valued less than Nabers and, actually, Odunze too.  However, my latest mock has Minnesota trading up to #5 (and giving up #42) for McCarthy and Bowers lasting until #11...to the Chargers, which would make a lot of sense.  
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I think you're underestimating Chop Robinson's potential. His Combine numbers weren't just good, they were revolutionary. He posted the best speed/explosion numbers for a 250 lb + prospect since Vernon Davis in 2003. His 4.48 forty, 1.54 10-yd split and 10-8 broad jump are ridiculous for an EDGE, and superhuman at 255 lbs. Chop's Combine numbers were nearly identical to Bijan Robinson's, only Chop is 40 lbs heavier.

I also wouldn't say he was unproductive in '23. More context is needed there. Robinson was battling injuries yet still had stretches were he was so thoroughly dominant from the edge that teams would often take the action away from his side or even abandon the pass altogether. (Even Michigan.) His counting numbers weren't up there with Latu and Verse, but keep in mind that Chop was banged up and is three years younger than those guys. Chop still recorded a 92.3 PFF pass-rush grade in '23 (4th-best among EDGEs, ahead of Verse and Turner) and posted a 92 + PFF pass-rush grade since the beginning of '22 (second only to Latu in college football). In '23, Chop had a 90.8 overall PFF grade (11th out of 836 EDGE players) and nation-best 20.9% pass-rush win rate. PFF rated him 2023's 35th-most valuable player in the nation - regardless of position - in their year end, metrics-weighted top 100 most valuable players list. All this while just 20 years old and battling through injury. I'll be stunned if Robinson isn't drafted in the top-16. 

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@WillWyn37 

Agree. Battle/Hill are a promising safety duo. The Bengals have bigger fish to fry. The O-line needs a RT immediately and a C/G prospect to groom behind Karras. A knifing 3T is badly needed (as you said). There's also an underrated need for another LB to potentially replace Pratt by '25. A difference-making TE, WR3, a power complement to Chase Brown...just so many spots to prioritize ahead of safety.

I think Walt should delegate his mocks to his readers, with selected fans of each team making that team's selection. Would be interesting.

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@Walt

In your QB Destination Predictions you have Justin Fields to Las Vegas. Just wondering if you took into consideration the Raiders hiring of OC Luke Getsy.

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I had trouble deciding between Wiggins and Latham for PIT. I think Wiggins makes a ton of sense. The Steelers currently have nothing on their CB depth chart beyond Porter. I'm kinda just waiting to see what the Steelers do in FA for more clarity. If they sign an economical vet like Trent Brown or something to play RT, then it's Wiggins.

The Arizona Cardinals, man lol. So hard to predict what they'll do. They always have a weird board and beyond Kyler Murray, Tre McBride, Paris Johnson and Budda Baker, every single position could use an upgrade. And I'm not completely sure they wouldn't trade Murray for the right package.

I'm beginning to think that Bowers might pop off closer to where you have him than where I do (#6). I'll be watching his Combine performance closely.

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@The Champ 

Yeah, your 5.5 O/U estimate on the WRs is looking about right. I'll be adding another WR after MHJ/Nabers/Odunze/Thomas in my next mock. Maybe two. Mitchell and Worthy are freaks.

Here are the prospects I'm confident will go on Day One:

QB - C. Williams/J. Daniels/D. Maye/JJ McCarthy

WR - MHJ/M. Nabers/R. Odunze/B. Thomas Jr.

TE - B. Bowers

OL - JC Latham/J. Alt/A. Mims/T. Fauga/O. Fashanu/G. Barton/T. Guyton

EDGE - D. Turner/C. Robinson/J. Verse/L. Latu

DT - B. Murphy II

CB - Q. Mitchell/T. Arnold/N. Wiggins

That's 24 spots spoken for. Here are the guys who I think will vie for the other eight spots:

QB - M. Penix Jr.

WR - A. Mitchell/X. Worthy/L. McConkey

OL - T. Fautanu/J. Morgan/J. Powers-Johnson/C. Beebe

EDGE - C. Braswell/D. Robinson

DT - T. Sweat/K. Jenkins/B. Fiske/J. Newton

CB - K. Lassiter/K. McKinstry/TJ Tampa/E. Rakestraw Jr.

S - C. DeJean/T. Nubin

The picture is coming into focus.

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I had trouble deciding between Wiggins and Latham for PIT. I think Wiggins makes a ton of sense. The Steelers currently have nothing on their CB depth chart beyond Porter. I'm kinda just waiting to see what the Steelers do in FA for more clarity. If they sign an economical vet like Trent Brown or something to play RT, then it's Wiggins.

The Arizona Cardinals, man lol. So hard to predict what they'll do. They always have a weird board and beyond Kyler Murray, Tre McBride, Paris Johnson and Budda Baker, every single position could use an upgrade. And I'm not completely sure they wouldn't trade Murray for the right package.

I'm beginning to think that Bowers might pop off closer to where you have him than where I do (#6). I'll be watching his Combine performance closely.

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@Mr. Bitter Like Jayden Daniels, maybe this is a good sign for his draft stock.  He may feel he simply doesn't have anything to gain because he's confident he will go in the top 10.  And with Darren Waller not confirming whether or not he will retire, he could be more in play for the Giants at #6 than I initially thought.  

In other news, Adonai Mitchell just ran a 4.35 40.  Since 2015, he and DK Metcalf are the only 2 wideouts who are at least 6'2, 200 pounds, and ran that fast.  I had him going at #32 to KC but that may be a little low.  You'd have to imagine that Brett Veach would be licking his chops if he's there at 32.  

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I had trouble deciding between Wiggins and Latham for PIT. I think Wiggins makes a ton of sense. The Steelers currently have nothing on their CB depth chart beyond Porter. I'm kinda just waiting to see what the Steelers do in FA for more clarity. If they sign an economical vet like Trent Brown or something to play RT, then it's Wiggins.

The Arizona Cardinals, man lol. So hard to predict what they'll do. They always have a weird board and beyond Kyler Murray, Tre McBride, Paris Johnson and Budda Baker, every single position could use an upgrade. And I'm not completely sure they wouldn't trade Murray for the right package.

I'm beginning to think that Bowers might pop off closer to where you have him than where I do (#6). I'll be watching his Combine performance closely.

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Now Bowers is saying he may not test at the Combine. Ugh.

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@The Champ 

Yeah, Dallas Turner rocked the Combine. He's a little shorter than I thought but that doesn't really matter with that wingspan. Chop isn't as long as I assumed, but all-time freaky EDGE numbers overall. I'm thinking about swapping Chop and Turner in my mock, but I probably won't once I rewatch Chop's insane first step lol. Turner, Chop and Verse are all gonna come off the board in the top 16. No doubt.

Latu is longer than I expected. Still, those speed/explosion numbers...

I get that Latu wins with technique, but man...after watching tape from Chop, Turner and Verse, Latu looks lumbering in comparison.

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I had trouble deciding between Wiggins and Latham for PIT. I think Wiggins makes a ton of sense. The Steelers currently have nothing on their CB depth chart beyond Porter. I'm kinda just waiting to see what the Steelers do in FA for more clarity. If they sign an economical vet like Trent Brown or something to play RT, then it's Wiggins.

The Arizona Cardinals, man lol. So hard to predict what they'll do. They always have a weird board and beyond Kyler Murray, Tre McBride, Paris Johnson and Budda Baker, every single position could use an upgrade. And I'm not completely sure they wouldn't trade Murray for the right package.

I'm beginning to think that Bowers might pop off closer to where you have him than where I do (#6). I'll be watching his Combine performance closely.



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@The Champ

I appreciate it, and don't mind the criticism at all. I follow your mocks and respect your opinion. I'm open to different perspectives and have been wrong a thousand times. Besides - If we all agreed on everything it would be boring as hell. Disagreement is what makes this fun.

It's obvious to most of us that DEN won't be making any serious noise in the AFC any time real soon, buy I truly question whether Payton thinks that way. The man has an ego on him. He annually overestimates his rosters and stubbornly sticks with his guys and his rigid philosophies instead of embracing young upgrades and fresh ideas. His post-Drew Brees Saints teams were basically just spinning their wheels, all while being financially irresponsible. It's looking like more of the same in DEN. Honestly, I just haven't been impressed with his coaching performance and decision-making post-Brees.

When doing a predictive mock, I try to think like the decision-makers for each team. That's why I have the Rams taking older prospects Latu and Nix, just as they did last year with Byron Young, Nacua, Turner, etc. - they know their SB window is closing fast and want older, immediate contributors. Personally, I wouldn't take Latu, but I'm pretty sure the Rams would. That's why I have Payton skipping on the rookie QBs for Winston - I honestly believe he thinks he can compete with Winston and his guys, because that's all Payton has ever showed me.

You might be right on the WR O/U, and believe me - not giving the Chiefs Troy Franklin killed me. But my thought process was that with the OT, DL and CB crops being so top-heavy, teams will be willing to put WR on hold until Day Two, where there will be a dozen high-quality WR options of varying styles to choose from. Take my JAX/Arnold pick. I instinctively wanted to slot Brian Thomas Jr. there and call it a day. Then I thought, "Wait - the Jags don't have a nickel corner, Darious Williams is almost 31, and Tyson Campbell is a FA after the season. Terrion Arnold is just sitting here at excellent value. I like Brian Thomas Jr., but he's not light years better than comparable Day Two guys like AD Mitchell, Xavier Legette, Keon Coleman, Brenden Rice, etc. JAX won't find a CB even close to Arnold on Day Two".

As for JPJ and Penix Jr., we just disagree on their value. I actually wasn't overly impressed with JPJ's Senior Bowl reps. They were highlighting instances where he was being pushed into the QBs lap then raving about his last second grapple/recovery. It's like, okay - that was feisty and all, but he was still getting pushed back. I just didn't see the dominator everyone was talking about.

I like Penix. Great arm. His age and medicals aren't even big concerns for me. He's just plain inaccurate under pressure. It's hard for me to get past that.

You're more than right about the QB supply-and-demand. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Penix went in the 1st round. For now I have him as a late 2nd/early 3rd prospect, but I'm open to moving him up depending on what we hear coming out of the Combine.



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@The Champ

I appreciate it, and don't mind the criticism at all. I follow your mocks and respect your opinion. I'm open to different perspectives and have been wrong a thousand times. Besides - If we all agreed on everything it would be boring as hell. Disagreement is what makes this fun.

It's obvious to most of us that DEN won't be making any serious noise in the AFC any time real soon, buy I truly question whether Payton thinks that way. The man has an ego on him. He annually overestimates his rosters and stubbornly sticks with his guys and his rigid philosophies instead of embracing young upgrades and fresh ideas. His post-Drew Brees Saints teams were basically just spinning their wheels, all while being financially irresponsible. It's looking like more of the same in DEN. Honestly, I just haven't been impressed with his coaching performance and decision-making post-Brees.

When doing a predictive mock, I try to think like the decision-makers for each team. That's why I have the Rams taking older prospects Latu and Nix, just as they did last year with Byron Young, Nacua, Turner, etc. - they know their SB window is closing fast and want older, immediate contributors. Personally, I wouldn't take Latu, but I'm pretty sure the Rams would. That's why I have Payton skipping on the rookie QBs for Winston - I honestly believe he thinks he can compete with Winston and his guys, because that's all Payton has ever showed me.

You might be right on the WR O/U, and believe me - not giving the Chiefs Troy Franklin killed me. But my thought process was that with the OT, DL and CB crops being so top-heavy, teams will be willing to put WR on hold until Day Two, where there will be a dozen high-quality WR options of varying styles to choose from. Take my JAX/Arnold pick. I instinctively wanted to slot Brian Thomas Jr. there and call it a day. Then I thought, "Wait - the Jags don't have a nickel corner, Darious Williams is almost 31, and Tyson Campbell is a FA after the season. Terrion Arnold is just sitting here at excellent value. I like Brian Thomas Jr., but he's not light years better than comparable Day Two guys like AD Mitchell, Xavier Legette, Keon Coleman, Brenden Rice, etc. JAX won't find a CB even close to Arnold on Day Two".

As for JPJ and Penix Jr., we just disagree on their value. I actually wasn't overly impressed with JPJ's Senior Bowl reps. They were highlighting instances where he was being pushed into the QBs lap then raving about his last second grapple/recovery. It's like, okay - that was feisty and all, but he was still getting pushed back. I just didn't see the dominator everyone was talking about.

I like Penix. Great arm. His age and medicals aren't even big concerns for me. He's just plain inaccurate under pressure. It's hard for me to get past that.

You're more than right about the QB supply-and-demand. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Penix went in the 1st round. For now I have him as a late 2nd/early 3rd prospect, but I'm open to moving him up depending on what we hear coming out of the Combine.



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@The Champ

I appreciate it, and don't mind the criticism at all. I follow your mocks and respect your opinion. I'm open to different perspectives and have been wrong a thousand times. Besides - If we all agreed on everything it would be boring as hell. Disagreement is what makes this fun.

It's obvious to most of us that DEN won't be making any serious noise in the AFC any time real soon, buy I truly question whether Payton thinks that way. The man has an ego on him. He annually overestimates his rosters and stubbornly sticks with his guys and his rigid philosophies instead of embracing young upgrades and fresh ideas. His post-Drew Brees Saints teams were basically just spinning their wheels, all while being financially irresponsible. It's looking like more of the same in DEN. Honestly, I just haven't been impressed with his coaching performance and decision-making post-Brees.

When doing a predictive mock, I try to think like the decision-makers for each team. That's why I have the Rams taking older prospects Latu and Nix, just as they did last year with Byron Young, Nacua, Turner, etc. - they know their SB window is closing fast and want older, immediate contributors. Personally, I wouldn't take Latu, but I'm pretty sure the Rams would. That's why I have Payton skipping on the rookie QBs for Winston - I honestly believe he thinks he can compete with Winston and his guys, because that's all Payton has ever showed me.

You might be right on the WR O/U, and believe me - not giving the Chiefs Troy Franklin killed me. But my thought process was that with the OT, DL and CB crops being so top-heavy, teams will be willing to put WR on hold until Day Two, where there will be a dozen high-quality WR options of varying styles to choose from. Take my JAX/Arnold pick. I instinctively wanted to slot Brian Thomas Jr. there and call it a day. Then I thought, "Wait - the Jags don't have a nickel corner, Darious Williams is almost 31, and Tyson Campbell is a FA after the season. Terrion Arnold is just sitting here at excellent value. I like Brian Thomas Jr., but he's not light years better than comparable Day Two guys like AD Mitchell, Xavier Legette, Keon Coleman, Brenden Rice, etc. JAX won't find a CB even close to Arnold on Day Two".

As for JPJ and Penix Jr., we just disagree on their value. I actually wasn't overly impressed with JPJ's Senior Bowl reps. They were highlighting instances where he was being pushed into the QBs lap then raving about his last second grapple/recovery. It's like, okay - that was feisty and all, but he was still getting pushed back. I just didn't see the dominator everyone was talking about.

I like Penix. Great arm. His age and medicals aren't even big concerns for me. He's just plain inaccurate under pressure. It's hard for me to get past that.

You're more than right about the QB supply-and-demand. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Penix went in the 1st round. For now I have him as a late 2nd/early 3rd prospect, but I'm open to moving him up depending on what we hear coming out of the Combine.



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@The Champ

I appreciate it, and don't mind the criticism at all. I follow your mocks and respect your opinion. I'm open to different perspectives and have been wrong a thousand times. Besides - If we all agreed on everything it would be boring as hell. Disagreement is what makes this fun.

It's obvious to most of us that DEN won't be making any serious noise in the AFC any time real soon, buy I truly question whether Payton thinks that way. The man has an ego on him. He annually overestimates his rosters and stubbornly sticks with his guys and his rigid philosophies instead of embracing young upgrades and fresh ideas. His post-Drew Brees Saints teams were basically just spinning their wheels, all while being financially irresponsible. It's looking like more of the same in DEN. Honestly, I just haven't been impressed with his coaching performance and decision-making post-Brees.

When doing a predictive mock, I try to think like the decision-makers for each team. That's why I have the Rams taking older prospects Latu and Nix, just as they did last year with Byron Young, Nacua, Turner, etc. - they know their SB window is closing fast and want older, immediate contributors. Personally, I wouldn't take Latu, but I'm pretty sure the Rams would. That's why I have Payton skipping on the rookie QBs for Winston - I honestly believe he thinks he can compete with Winston and his guys, because that's all Payton has ever showed me.

You might be right on the WR O/U, and believe me - not giving the Chiefs Troy Franklin killed me. But my thought process was that with the OT, DL and CB crops being so top-heavy, teams will be willing to put WR on hold until Day Two, where there will be a dozen high-quality WR options of varying styles to choose from. Take my JAX/Arnold pick. I instinctively wanted to slot Brian Thomas Jr. there and call it a day. Then I thought, "Wait - the Jags don't have a nickel corner, Darious Williams is almost 31, and Tyson Campbell is a FA after the season. Terrion Arnold is just sitting here at excellent value. I like Brian Thomas Jr., but he's not light years better than comparable Day Two guys like AD Mitchell, Xavier Legette, Keon Coleman, Brenden Rice, etc. JAX won't find a CB even close to Arnold on Day Two".

As for JPJ and Penix Jr., we just disagree on their value. I actually wasn't overly impressed with JPJ's Senior Bowl reps. They were highlighting instances where he was being pushed into the QBs lap then raving about his last second grapple/recovery. It's like, okay - that was feisty and all, but he was still getting pushed back. I just didn't see the dominator everyone was talking about.

I like Penix. Great arm. His age and medicals aren't even big concerns for me. He's just plain inaccurate under pressure. It's hard for me to get past that.

You're more than right about the QB supply-and-demand. I wouldn't be completely shocked if Penix went in the 1st round. For now I have him as a late 2nd/early 3rd prospect, but I'm open to moving him up depending on what we hear coming out of the Combine.

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Re: NFL Hot Press/Cooper DeJean Combine Star

DeJean won't be working out at the Combine.

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Love the WAS/Braswell fit. He could thrive in Quinn's LEO role.
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@Lionsden1961 

Awww...that's just mean. I know blowing that 17-point lead stings like a bitch, but you don't have to take it out on me. I may not be the sharpest bulb in the shed short of a six pack, but I have feelings dammit!

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"Laiatu Latu...a strong frame"

This is false. Functional strength for the next level is the biggest concern with Latu outside the injury history. He has a very narrow frame and no sand in his pants.

"Ladd McConkey...gritty"

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At pick 1.18, you bring up a very underrated point. If the Bengals use that pick on an instant starter at RT, it will likely be a prospect with the potential to man the blindside down the road. I see mocks quite often that have CIN/Latham at 1.18 with Guyton or sometimes even Fashanu still on the board. Makes no sense to me. I don't believe Orlando Brown has the stranglehold on the LT spot that many seem to assume. It's not far-fetched to think the notoriously frugal Bengals may already have one eye on a more economical replacement.

I'm souring a bit on Latu. Been combing his breakdowns and focused on his matchup with Fuaga at the Senior Bowl. I have concerns.

For me, he doesn't pass the eye test. Like, not at all. Physically, he's closer to a stud HS Senior than a rocked-up NFL EDGE prospect, and that's a red flag given he's 23 years old. Flat butt. Very narrow shoulders and what appears to be sub-standard arm length. Relatively weak lower body. I get that Latu's major selling point is his technical excellence/hand usage. His viral rep at the Senior Bowl where he beats Fuaga with a blink-and-you-missed it counter is just filthy. However, Fuaga won the day - sometimes simply rag dolling Latu. That's my main concern: His technical prowess may not be as effective vs. NFL linemen as it was against PAC12 linemen two to four years his junior. I fear once NFL linemen get hands on him, it'll be game over. I'm currently working on my first mock, and feeling increasingly more comfortable with Latu outside the top 20.

I agree with your SB prediction. SF in the SB has more to do with the Lions beating themselves than Niners excellence. The Chiefs are carrying a chip on their shoulders that I'm not seeing with the 49ers.

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Not so sure about the LV/Fields trade now that the Raiders have hired Getsy. Fields just doesn't fit Getsy's system. ATL seems like a natural match for Fields, and there's chatter that the Raiders could sign Russell Wilson once DEN releases him.
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I can't see Patton/Payton taking any non-Williams/Maye/Daniels QB at 12.

I get that the Broncos badly need a viable-yet-cheap option at QB considering their salary cap situation and the mammoth dead money hit once Russ is released, but a reach for a Day 2 prospect like Nix isn't the answer. It's an awful value pick, which is something DEN can't afford given their limited draft currency over the next two years. They need their picks to hit.

DEN desperately needs more athleticism and impact players all along their front 7, a solid CB2 to complement Surtain, a quality TE that can stay healthy, a C to replace Cushenberry, and another starting WR (Jeudy or Sutton will almost definitely be traded). They are miles from a QB away.

DEN will most likely be forced to sit on their hands during free agency, meaning their depth chart could be even weaker than it currently is by draft day. Nix needs a perfect environment for any hope of NFL success; plopping him in the DEN lineup in Payton's complex system would be guaranteed failure and likely unemployment for Patton/Payton. (DEN has the highest front office/HC turnover rate since their 2015 SB win. Payton probably isn't as comfy as we assume.)

I'm confident DEN will opt for a bargain bin veteran QB like Jameis Winston, Gardner Minshew, Sam Darnold, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett or Tyrod Taylor, then hope for a Baker Mayfield-type career renaissance. One of those QBs and a Jared Verse, Dallas Turner, Terrion Arnold, or even Brock Bowers at 1.12 would make DEN much more competitive in '24 than simply reaching for Nix, IMO.

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I can't see Patton/Payton taking any non-Williams/Maye/Daniels QB at 12.

I get that the Broncos badly need a viable-yet-cheap option at QB considering their salary cap situation and the mammoth dead money hit once Russ is released, but a reach for a Day 2 prospect like Nix isn't the answer. It's an awful value pick, which is something DEN can't afford given their limited draft currency over the next two years. They need their picks to hit.

DEN desperately needs more athleticism and impact players all along their front 7, a solid CB2 to complement Surtain, a quality TE that can stay healthy, a C to replace Cushenberry, and another starting WR (Jeudy or Sutton will almost definitely be traded). They are miles from a QB away.

DEN will most likely be forced to sit on their hands during free agency, meaning their depth chart could be even weaker than it currently is by draft day. Nix needs a perfect environment for any hope of NFL success; plopping him in the DEN lineup in Payton's complex system would be guaranteed failure and likely unemployment for Patton/Payton. (DEN has the highest front office/HC turnover rate since their 2015 SB win. Payton probably isn't as comfy as we assume.)

I'm confident DEN will opt for a bargain bin veteran QB like Jameis Winston, Gardner Minshew, Sam Darnold, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Brissett or Tyrod Taylor, then hope for a Baker Mayfield-type career renaissance. One of those QBs and a Jared Verse, Dallas Turner, Terrion Arnold, or even Brock Bowers at 1.12 would make DEN much more competitive in '24 than simply reaching for Nix, IMO.

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Most importantly: "Bo Nix" is totally a great college QB, not gonna make it in the NFL name. We all know it.
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@Esengale 

They've been pretty much BPA mode in their last two drafts. Schneider is running the show now.

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Curious as to why you suggest MHJ is a potential diva. I live in Columbus and have heard zero about diva behavior from MHJ. Mostly the opposite. There was similar pre-draft chatter about Stroud last year that had Columbus residents scratching their heads, as he gave no indication of being anything but a rock solid dude during his OSU career.

Assuming the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, MHJ will be a low-maintenance star. Marvin Harrison Sr - at one time the highest paid WR in the NFL - was renowned for his work ethic, reliability and being soft-spoken. Junior seems much the same.

Agreed that Terrion Arnold isn't currently CB1 in this draft, but there are signs that he could be before long. I don't think slotting him at #8 is a reach. Dane Brugler said the consensus with scouts he's spoken to is that Arnold has the best skill set in the crop, while Daniel Jeremiah says Arnold could go as high as #5. Obviously not gospel, but DJ and DB are among the more tuned-in draft experts.

Really good mock. I doubt Latu pops off that high, but it's a ballsy call and who knows?

Like that you mention the speed concerns with Odunze. I think you're out ahead of a narrative that will get louder as the pre-draft process unfolds. I love Odunze as a prospect, but I'm seeing a good amount of mocks with him in the top six. Very doubtful to me, especially considering the quality depth in this WR crop.

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@Baird 

Good stuff. I'm with you on both games, only I think DET might win SU. On paper SF is the right side, but something feels off...like they're kinda in cruise control, while DET is playing with fire in their belly. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe I'm scarred by the images of Dontayvion Wicks handling Chase Young as if he was an All-Pro tackle. Just a gut call: DET 31 SF 28

BAL will take care of business. It's their year. I think you're underrating the loss of Thuney. Not because he's absolutely irreplaceable, but because KC's only hope for a championship run was establishing their new downhill running/defense identity on the fly, meaning their O-line absolutely could not afford to be weakened beyond what it already was. Combine that with BAL having a potential Kelce-eraser in Kyle Hamilton, and KC should find it difficult to put up points.

Underrated angle: I love the Mahomes commercials. He could seriously have a post-football future as a comedian. However, that media saturation along with the Kelce/Swift stuff...I dunno, it just feels like KC is fattened up for the kill. Again, maybe I'm overthinking it, but have you seen Lamar Jackson's interviews lately? Dude is focused at a frightening, eye of the tiger level.

BAL 31 KC 20

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That DAL/Graham Barton pick makes so much sense it hurts.

I get that the SEA/Mims pick is more about getting Mims in his proper value range and driving home the point that SEA needs to start making premium investments in the trenches. However, I have a hard time imagining Abe Lucas at guard. Such a high-cut, upright player. He's about the purest of RTs that I can think of. Still, his availability going forward seems to be a quiet concern in SEA, so Mims could be the pick in your scenario. Ultimately - like you - I anticipate Guyton and Mims will rise as the predraft process unfolds. I'm guessing neither will make it to SEA at 16.

The Seahawks are in an awkward spot given their needs: Smack dab in the middle of the 1st round - out of potential franchise QB range, and perhaps a little too high for a non-Latu defender. I suppose Fautanu would be a solid (if uninspiring) pick as a plug n play guard, but it just feels like SEA needs to think bigger. Perhaps a trade down to recoup a 2nd rounder, with the targets being Barton in the late 1st and a 2nd round swing on Penix/Nix?  

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@NoHeroes94 

You're absolutely right about the top-heavy EDGE crop. After Turner/Latu/Verse/Chop/Braswell/Trice it's slim pickings. EDGE-needy teams that don't address the position during free agency will have to act quickly in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if all six guys go in the 1st round.

It's a top-heavy draft in general. Feels like a serious drop-off in quality beyond early/mid 3rd round. Has me wondering if we'll see more trade action than usual.

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That DAL/Graham Barton pick makes so much sense it hurts.

I get that the SEA/Mims pick is more about getting Mims in his proper value range and driving home the point that SEA needs to start making premium investments in the trenches. However, I have a hard time imagining Abe Lucas at guard. Such a high-cut, upright player. He's about the purest of RTs that I can think of. Still, his availability going forward seems to be a quiet concern in SEA, so Mims could be the pick in your scenario. Ultimately - like you - I anticipate Guyton and Mims will rise as the predraft process unfolds. I'm guessing neither will make it to SEA at 16.

The Seahawks are in an awkward spot given their needs: Smack dab in the middle of the 1st round - out of potential franchise QB range, and perhaps a little too high for a non-Latu defender. I suppose Fautanu would be a solid (if uninspiring) pick as a plug n play guard, but it just feels like SEA needs to think bigger. Perhaps a trade down to recoup a 2nd rounder, with the targets being Barton in the late 1st and a 2nd round swing on Penix/Nix?  

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I like that you went trade crazy. It's too early in the process to hope for anything close to accuracy, so I like it when mocks explore potential trades/scenarios. Makes it interesting.

Your LAC/NYJ/Alt trade is very possible. I totally understand the mocks that have the Chargers taking Bowers or Nabers at #5, but I have to think Harbaugh is itching to reconstruct that lousy defense. A move down to #10 would be a more reasonable value slot for potential targets like Turner, Arnold, etc.

I like the potential of Guyton and Mims more than Alt, but the Aaron Rodgers signing has created a hostage situation. Every personnel move must now be made with a one-year window mindset. (As a Jets fan, I don't think Rodgers is worth the trouble, but it is what it is.) The Jets will almost certainly value Alt's polish over the upside of Guyton/Mims.

Nit picks: I'll be shocked if Penix goes that high, and seriously doubt Kool-Aid pops off before Arnold. Cool name, but Arnold is the better prospect.

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That DAL/Graham Barton pick makes so much sense it hurts.

I get that the SEA/Mims pick is more about getting Mims in his proper value range and driving home the point that SEA needs to start making premium investments in the trenches. However, I have a hard time imagining Abe Lucas at guard. Such a high-cut, upright player. He's about the purest of RTs that I can think of. Still, his availability going forward seems to be a quiet concern in SEA, so Mims could be the pick in your scenario. Ultimately - like you - I anticipate Guyton and Mims will rise as the predraft process unfolds. I'm guessing neither will make it to SEA at 16.

The Seahawks are in an awkward spot given their needs: Smack dab in the middle of the 1st round - out of potential franchise QB range, and perhaps a little too high for a non-Latu defender. I suppose Fautanu would be a solid (if uninspiring) pick as a plug n play guard, but it just feels like SEA needs to think bigger. Perhaps a trade down to recoup a 2nd rounder, with the targets being Barton in the late 1st and a 2nd round swing on Penix/Nix?  

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@Mr. Bitter I am a fan of Latu, but his medical could render him a top-10 or a late round pick; really hope its the former. I like Turner, too, think the EDGE class falls off a cliff then and don't think either are real blue-chip prospects.

In the next tier I have Verse, Trice, Braswell and Chop(falling) presently. I think Trice is a solid late 1st pick; wouldn't mind my 49ers taking him if the best OL prospects are gone. I have him 34th on my big board so he only just missed my 1st round mock. Healthy, I think he goes top-40. 

A surprise I could could knock the door of the 1st round is Chris Braswell too. He's in the running I really like his skill-set and think he is a bit underrated because he's paired up with Dallas Turner. He's raw but not insanely so, and I he's probably got the highest upside of this class. The 8 sacks aren't a fluke; he had 49 pressures. Really like him, nearly mocked him late 1st.

DeJean will almost certainly go Round 1 because he can sort of do everything and is an incredible athlete. He's a better prospect than Brian Branch who should have gone 1st round in 2023. I think he could go as high as No. 13 if a QB isn't in play for Vegas

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PIT 14 BUF 13

DAL 38 GB 24

LAR 30 DET 27

PHI 20 TB 17 

Happy hunting, fellas.

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You're not giving the Texans enough credit. The CLE/HOU recap reads like an insinuation that the game would have been close if Bitonio wasn't out. Doubtful. Flacco was overdue to turn into a pumpkin and HOU was playing at a higher energy level throughout. It was just all Texans.


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C.J. Stroud already made his first playoff start in Week 18.
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That DAL/Graham Barton pick makes so much sense it hurts.

I get that the SEA/Mims pick is more about getting Mims in his proper value range and driving home the point that SEA needs to start making premium investments in the trenches. However, I have a hard time imagining Abe Lucas at guard. Such a high-cut, upright player. He's about the purest of RTs that I can think of. Still, his availability going forward seems to be a quiet concern in SEA, so Mims could be the pick in your scenario. Ultimately - like you - I anticipate Guyton and Mims will rise as the predraft process unfolds. I'm guessing neither will make it to SEA at 16.

The Seahawks are in an awkward spot given their needs: Smack dab in the middle of the 1st round - out of potential franchise QB range, and perhaps a little too high for a non-Latu defender. I suppose Fautanu would be a solid (if uninspiring) pick as a plug n play guard, but it just feels like SEA needs to think bigger. Perhaps a trade down to recoup a 2nd rounder, with the targets being Barton in the late 1st and a 2nd round swing on Penix/Nix?  

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@NoHeroes94 

Yeah, the Seahawks were regularly gashed up the gut this season. Thing is, I think SEA fans may riot if they continue sinking disproportional resources into LB and S at the expense of the trenches. That philosophy obviously isn't working.

It's a miserable LB crop. Payton Wilson and Edgerrin Cooper are the only LB prospects I find intriguing, and Wilson's injury red flags make Round One unlikely.

It's a meh crop of defensive prospects in general. A decent selection of Day 2 DL and DB values, but I'm not seeing any surefire top 10 guys.

I like Turner, Latu and Newton, but I don't think Turner is the Will Anderson-tier prospect some suggest, am terrified of Latu's medical history/athletic testing, and anticipate Newton will get the Calijah Kancey treatment throughout the process. (Especially when Day 2 could offer discount versions of Newton like Michael Hall Jr. and Howard Cross.)

I think two darkhorses to be the first defender off the board are Bralen Trice and Cooper DeJean. I see similarities with young Justin Smith with Trice. Love him. He's going to rise. DeJean is an elite performer as well as an elite athletic tester, so - other than the stigma that shall not be mentioned - I'm not sure why we aren't seeing him regularly slotted in the 8 to 12 range as a plug n play CB.

Not a big Kinchens fan. Day 2 guy for me. Beau Brade could be a late riser. Versatile and should shine at the Combine. He's the only safety I see even sniffing the 1st round.

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That DAL/Graham Barton pick makes so much sense it hurts.

I get that the SEA/Mims pick is more about getting Mims in his proper value range and driving home the point that SEA needs to start making premium investments in the trenches. However, I have a hard time imagining Abe Lucas at guard. Such a high-cut, upright player. He's about the purest of RTs that I can think of. Still, his availability going forward seems to be a quiet concern in SEA, so Mims could be the pick in your scenario. Ultimately - like you - I anticipate Guyton and Mims will rise as the predraft process unfolds. I'm guessing neither will make it to SEA at 16.

The Seahawks are in an awkward spot given their needs: Smack dab in the middle of the 1st round - out of potential franchise QB range, and perhaps a little too high for a non-Latu defender. I suppose Fautanu would be a solid (if uninspiring) pick as a plug n play guard, but it just feels like SEA needs to think bigger. Perhaps a trade down to recoup a 2nd rounder, with the targets being Barton in the late 1st and a 2nd round swing on Penix/Nix?  

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@Mr. Bitter Seattle is tricky for the reasons you state. They need LB and S the most; this is amongst the worst linebacking classes I've ever seen, and although I still like him as a top-40 pick I've cooled on Kinchens a bit. I might even be optimistic at #23 (we'll see whether teams are bothered by his hot and cold 2023 season).

Funnily enough I considered Troy Fautanu but came down to Mims vs. Fautanu and went with Mims because of his upside. Fautanu seems a prime player to rise into the top-20 like Zion Johnson in 2021, so perhaps by the draft Fautanu at No. 16 wouldn't be considered a reach. 

They seem a prime team to trade down. 

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@eleasvlisides3 

I reside in BIG10 country and have watched Michigan and McCarthy plenty - and not just the high profile games.

I will admit that I went overboard by saying McCarthy was "hidden" at UM. It's not on him that he's the QB for a program with a historically conservative offensive approach. He executes the conservative game plan given to him, and does it well. He's undoubtedly a winner. I also recognize that he's been very successful when situations called for creating outside of structure, a timely deep pass, or a clutch big play. (Especially in '23.) But here's the critical point: Those situations were exceedingly rare relative to an average college QBs career, and the efficiency at which he succeeded in those rare situations is plainly unsustainable at the NFL level. 

McCarthy has a decent arm and decent athleticism, but neither are close to elite, top-of-the-draft traits. He was rarely asked to deviate from those play-action, over-the-middle, one-read quick hitters. Honestly, his touch and timing even within that game plan were spotty, and his throws outside the numbers were often an adventure. 

McCarthy is slight with average traits. Sobering context and serious projection are needed when evaluating his next-level upside. It's reminding me too much of the Mac Jones predraft stuff, when it was all, "Don't concentrate on his limitations - concentrate on what he can do and the fact that he's a winner!", and I fell for it.

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@ttwarrior4 

Just the annual overhyping of QB prospects. A few misinformed "experts" shoehorn an obvious Day 2 prospect into the top 5 of their January mocks and others blindly follow suit. Will Levis, Malik Willis, Sam Howell, Desmond Ridder...I mean, I remember when bums like Matt Barkley, Geno Smith and Ryan Nassib were regularly found in the top 10 of early 2013 mock drafts. It's just silly.

McCarthy is a gamer with decent tools, but it's obvious to the average observer that he was hidden at UM. Unfortunately, it will probably take a Charlie Campbell Hot Press-type bucket of cold water to snap folks back to reality.  

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@korstnicholas 

Penix is inaccurate under pressure. The stats and the eye test bare it out.

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@Karensman

Not sure why JAX wouldn't be all in on making the playoffs. They seemed pretty focused on their task last week. They tightened up around their backup QB for a clean, workmanlike W. That's what good teams do.

The Jags are a young team who have been dealing with a steady stream of key injuries this season; there were bound to be some inconsistencies. Still, the Pederson Jags usually beat the teams they're supposed to beat (especially in division), and key guys like Robinson, Campbell, Cisco, Kirk, etc, are being folded into the mix after absences. Assuming Lawrence is in one piece, I see no reason why JAX can't avenge that Week 14 road loss to CLE in the playoffs. (Sorry, but Flacco is going to turn into a pumpkin here real soon.)

Ryan Tannehill: 33.3 QBR, 64.7 CMP%, 2 TD/6 INT, sacked 11 times in his last two games. Damaged goods.

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The Aurora Snowmo effect will no doubt victimize a playoff hopeful or two, but it won't be the Jaguars.

The angles that have you leaning TEN are outdated. TEN is no longer formidable vs. the run at all, and it can no longer be assumed that TEN will be competitive simply because Mike Vrabel. That scrappy, undermanned underdog vibe may have worked for a while, but the fact is the Titans are 5-18 over the last year and a half. They are just a directionless shit team with a gutted defensive depth chart.

Ryan Tannehill is damaged goods that won't have a second to throw with Josh Allen ragdolling Andre Dillard on the blindside. TEN needs a vintage Derrick Henry game for any chance to cover, yet you predict a low-impact game from Henry in your prop bet. How exactly is TEN supposed to stay close in this one?

Etienne stays hot behind a finally-healthy JAX O-line while Allen and Travon Walker pummel Tannehill into submission.

JAX 26 TEN 10

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Careful on that Shaheed prop. A.J. Terrell only shadows pure boundary WRs like Mike Evans and Alec Pierce. He basically never covers the slot.

Olave and Shaheed are interchangeable; both can function in the slot or as the deep threat. (Both have similar ADOT and line up in the slot 40% of the time.) It all depends on the matchup.

The Saints will no doubt utilize Olave in the slot to avoid Terrell, just as they did in Week 12 @ ATL, when he piled up 9 targets/7 catches/114 yds on only 22 routes run before exiting with a concussion. (Shaheed also exited early Week 12, yet Terrell stayed glued to the boundary to cover the likes of Lynn Bowden instead of shadowing Olave.) This could finally be the Olave eruption week with very few leftovers for other pass-catchers.

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@Mr. Football  

Or the Lions may just come out and run the ball down DAL's throat. The DAL run defense has been a saloon door since losing Hankins. The DET O-line is completely healthy and could easily dominate the LOS.

DET 28 DAL 26

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@Walt

Quick nitpick: "The Titans are stout vs. the run" hasn't really been applicable since Jeffery Simmons went on IR.

Since the loss of Simmons, TEN has given up 148 rushing yards to HOU (Singletary 26/121/4.7) and 158 yards to MIA (Mostert 21/96/4.6, Achane 7/47/6.7). They surrendered only 58 yards to SEA Week 16, but SEA - who couldn't stop Derrick Henry - had just 20 carries as they played from behind until the 4th quarter.

Since losing Simmons, TEN has inexplicably released NT Teair Tart and lost reliable run-defenders Jack Gibbens and Amani Hooker to IR. Practice Squad lifers like Quinton Bohanna, Jaleel Johnson, Otis Reese IV and K'Von Wallace are now starting for the Titans. If anything, the TEN run defense should be targeted at this point.

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The motivation angle is iffy on the WAS/NYJ game. Not to say you're wrong about the Jets having nothing to play for - but what does Washington have to play for? The depth chart is gutted and Rivera knows he's as good as gone. WAS has been fading for weeks.

The motivation angle is inconsequential compared to the glaring mismatch between the WAS O-line and the NYJ front seven. It just seems like a stretch to think yourself into anything beyond a zero unit pass on this game.

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Also: As a NYJ fan, I can tell you that this game reeks of our annual, meaningless late-season W that drops us five slots in the draft. It is just our way. This will be followed by a loss at CLE and a loss at NE, because we always lose to the Pats no matter what.
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The motivation angle is iffy on the WAS/NYJ game. Not to say you're wrong about the Jets having nothing to play for - but what does Washington have to play for? The depth chart is gutted and Rivera knows he's as good as gone. WAS has been fading for weeks.

The motivation angle is inconsequential compared to the glaring mismatch between the WAS O-line and the NYJ front seven. It just seems like a stretch to think yourself into anything beyond a zero unit pass on this game.

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How is Boston Scott not on the menu? He is the Giant Killer.
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CAR will beat ATL SU today.

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CAR will beat ATL SU today.

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@shankdiddy3 

Pretty much agree on Maye and McCarthy.

The Williams/Mahomes comp isn't lazy; it's apt. The skill sets are similar. Mahomes is the only current NFL comp that does Williams' unique upside justice.

The Mahomes you've described in comparison to Williams is Final Form Mahomes; a refined 7-year vet who was lucky enough to land in the perfect environment to realize his potential. Far cry from his predraft scouting reports coming out of Texas Tech, where he was generally regarded as a boom-or-bust wild stallion and a fringe 1st-round prospect.

I like Penix. Great arm talent, good athleticism. Erratic accuracy.

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@tom.r.butcher 

With the news that Belichick is a dead man walking in NE, the Pats should just go full-scale rebuild. Get your QB at the top of this draft then trade every asset that isn't nailed down for more draft currency, with an eye toward a free agency splash and true contention in 2026.

On offense, re-sign impending FA Onwenu, then start entirely from scratch around Strange/Andrews/Onwenu. Pray to God that Justin Fields plays out of his mind the next four weeks and that Ryan Poles is drinking the Maye>Williams Kool-Aid. If so, then do whatever it takes to trade up for Williams. If not (likely), then don't get cute and just take Daniels or Ewers at #2.

I know the NE defense is competitive, but I wouldn't count on that continuing once Belichick is gone. Keep Barmore, Gonzalez and White and burn the rest. You just know players like Guy. Bentley, Peppers, etc., won't be as effective in a non-Belichick scheme.

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@Wharthog 

It's all about transferable skills, not college stats.

Williams has a Mahomes-type tool box, but even elite QBs need a functional supporting cast to thrive. (As we're seeing in KC currently.) USC has become a mess around Williams. You give Williams the coaching and weapons available to Daniels/Penix/Nix and he wins the Heisman again without breaking a sweat.

Of Daniels/Penix/Nix, only Daniels has Pro Bowl upside for the next level, IMO. Not saying Penix and Nix are trash system QBs or something - but they have their flaws and are likely Day 2 projects instead of 1st rounders.

Williams is the no-brainer #1 pick and the talk of Maye overtaking him is nuts to me. Here's what I've got:

1) Williams

2) Daniels

3) Maye

4) Ewers (perhaps even higher if he balls out during CFB)

5) Rattler

Williams goes #1 and Daniels top 5. Maye/Ewers/Rattler top 15. No J.J. McCarthy. The McCarthy top 10 talk is crazy and he should return to UM. From there, it's Penix/Nix on Day 2 then a dropoff to late round/UFA types.

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Going into the Final 4 with the Eagles in your back pocket. Nicely done.

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Consider listing CLE WR Cedric Tillman. With Amari Cooper injured, Tillman led the Browns offense in snaps, routes run, and was second in targets.
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The Panthers have to be at 32, and it goes far beyond their 1-11 record.

Washington sucks, but at least there's a glimmer of hope with new ownership. They own all their future draft picks (including extra '24 2nd and 3rd rounders), and a promising QB on a dirt cheap rookie contract.

The Carolina organization is lost at sea with no hope for rescue and every top-to-bottom employee under Tepper knows it.

Like Costanza, every decision Tepper and Fetterer have made has been wrong. Every single one.

Every coaching hire.

Every roster construction decision. 

("In an era where the best teams load up on explosive skill players, let's trade McCaffrey and Moore, then blow the draft compensation and cap savings on hyper-inefficient Jonathan Mingo and a bunch of plodding, washed up FAs like Thielen, Sanders, Chark, Hurst, etc.! Brilliant!")

Every draft decision - wrong.

Terminally-injured Jaycee Horn, Ickey Ekwonu and Young should have been Pat Surtain II, Charles Cross/Garrett Wilson, and C.J. Stroud.

 

The Panthers haven't made a decent Day 2 pick since Donte Jackson in '18. Seriously, look it up.

I'm sure Tepper/Fitterer and whatever chumps they hire to coach will say all the right things about building around Young this offseason, but it won't matter. Every decision they make toward that goal will just be wrong anyway, and Young is a surefire bust. He simply has mediocre traits and is too small to see over linemen and process the field. That's never going to change and we all kinda know it.

The Panthers have four players on their roster that would start for a quality team: Brian Burns, Derrick Brown, Taylor Moton and Donte Jackson. The rest is tumbleweeds.

Burns is visibly frustrated that he's still on the roster, and CAR may have missed the boat on getting proper trade value for him.

Brown is stout vs the run, but offers little interior pass rush. Nice player, but not worth a top 10 draft investment.

Moton and Jackson are approaching 30, and thanks to recent contract restructures both will be unaffordable, likely cap casualties this offseason.

There's little talent and even less hope in Carolina. The coaches and players checked out a while ago. They should be at 32.

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@doublerdadmc 

GB just invested 2nd and 3rd rounders on TEs. I agree that Bowers is too low in this mock, but the Packers really don't need another young TE. They need a LT and upgrades up the gut of the defense.

In this scenario, I think the Bengals would take Bowers in a heartbeat.

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If Tyson Campbell gets healthy, that CIN pick becomes high-risk.
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The Bengals dead last? C'mon. I get that the Burrow injury is catastrophic, but this is still a well-coached team with a lot of talent along the depth chart. There's a difference between being a good team that lost its QB and being an untalented, directionless mess like the Patriots and Cardinals. Still think CIN is capable of winning 2 or 3 of their remaining 6 games.
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@SadisticNobility

The thing about the Texans: They likely haven't reached their ceiling this season.

Given their youth and the usual ups-and-downs of new coaching philosophies taking root, they've been impressive, especially when you consider that their O-line and secondary are never fully healthy. I think that once Stingley, Suggs, Perryman, Rankins, Fairbairn, etc., fully settle in following injury/suspension and there's some lineup continuity, we'll see a late season run from Houston. (Their remaining schedule is cake.)

JAX is still the class of the AFC South and will only get better once Tyson Campbell returns to the lineup, but the arrow is pointing up for HOU as well. By the end of the season, I think the Texans will be a dangerous Wild Card team capable of a playoff upset.

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No Kyren Williams or Tucker Craft?

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@phillin1 

Still think Caleb Williams is far and away the best QB prospect in this draft, and potentially a much better all-around QB than Fields. Take away Fields' rushing ability, and you're left with a QB that hasn't made enough improvement as a processor/passer, commits too many turnovers, takes too many sacks and is too often unavailable.

Three seasons in, and we're still talking about "flashes of potential" with Fields. Three seasons in, and he has six wins and a completion percentage annually stuck on 60%. Not good enough.

Eberflus is on the hot seat. Unless Fields fast forwards his development and the Bears go on a 2nd half run, I have to think Eberflus gets the axe and Chicago explores trade options for Fields - especially if they secure the first pick and Caleb Williams.

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Damned Bills.
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It's early, but Ravens/Kool-Aid McKinstry just feels destined to happen.

Brilliant mock, as usual. Only nitpick is LAC opting for Nubin over Arnold/Lassiter/McKinstry. With Michael Davis approaching 30 and a '24 UFA, Asante Samuel is currently the only sure thing on the '24 CB depth chart. The Chargers really need a potential CB1 following the J.C. Jackson whiff.

I have a feeling Nubin will one of those tough, productive, PFF-favorites that eventually settles into Day 2. He's kinda high cut and isn't particularly speedy...I'm guessing predraft workouts will do him no favors.

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Some of angles presented in support of Carolina seem flimsy.

"Bagent -who is prone to mistakes"...and Bryce Young isn't?

"Fields is coming off a thumb injury, so that issue could still bother him if he returns to action. Fields also has a difficult matchup against a Carolina defense that has gotten some key personnel back from extended absences."

Forget Fields' thumb. His legs are fine, and that is what CAR should be worried about if he plays.

Current NFL run defense rankings:

YPC:  CHI 3.3 (1st)  CAR 4.4 (26th)

TDs:  CHI 4 (3rd)  CAR 14 (31st)

1st Downs:  CHI 43 (tied 5th w/BAL)  CAR 61 (26th)

The D'Onta Foreman revenge game is an inevitability. Fields would only be more gasoline on the tire fire that is the CAR run defense.

As for CAR getting healthier on defense, Reich has already said Brian Burns won't play. (Concussion/short week) There goes CAR's only viable edge threat. Vonn Bell will return to the lineup, but now Xavier Woods is questionable, while C.J. Henderson (who sucks anyway) will likely be out, leaving the likes of "Dicaprio Bootle" to cover D.J. Moore - an even more obvious nuclear revenge game candidate than Foreman. For the CAR defense, it's one step forward, two steps back.

Underrated angle not mentioned: Bryce Young - who is awful and pressing more by the week - could feel pressure to justify the CHI/CAR draft day swap. With the likelihood of CHI establishing the run and jumping to an early lead, and the way Young is reading the field right now, how can this be seen as anything but potential disaster?



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@Baird 

Nice call. Rock solid handicapping.

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Still getting a blank page when clicking on a contestant's leaderboard lineup. It's crucial for contestants to know which/how many players those at the top of the leaderboard have remaining throughout the contest in order to adjust their own lineups accordingly.
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Still getting a blank page when clicking on a contestant's leaderboard lineup. It's crucial for contestants to know which/how many players those at the top of the leaderboard have remaining throughout the contest in order to adjust their own lineups accordingly.
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@Mr. Bitter 

Just restored this now.  thanks for the heads up and patience

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@ttwarrior4 

Or Emari Demercado and Donald Parham

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@Walt

Careful on that Rams pick. Rob Havenstein is questionable. If he can't go, Dallas could easily get that pressure rate into the top 10 real quick.

Also - while it's impressive how much lemonade McVay has squeezed from that depth chart packed with practice squad lemons, I doubt it's sustainable. Now could be the time to sell high on the Rams before Stafford gets hurt.

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@Baird 

I think rain would likely favor the Jaguars. JAX has the superior rushing attack, assuming PIT doesn't suddenly give Warren the vast bulk of carries (which they just refuse to do against all logic).

Then there's the whole Kenny Pickett/small hands thing...

The Jaguars are likely to have Tyson Campbell, Walker Little, Zay Jones and stud run-clogger DaVon Hamilton back in the lineup. JAX is absolutely the right side in this one.

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Not sure how anyone can rank Hurts ahead of Mahomes in the MVP race. Aside from Mahomes having a better record and stats than Hurts, Hurts currently leads the NFL in INTs and is one turnover behind Desmond Ridder for the league lead. Not trying to dog Hurts; he's great, but he's working with a far more talented cast of skill position guys than Mahomes, while not performing as well. Mahomes is in his own tier and no NFL player is nearly as indispensable to his team.
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Not sure how anyone can rank Hurts ahead of Mahomes in the MVP race. Aside from Mahomes having a better record and stats than Hurts, Hurts currently leads the NFL in INTs and is one turnover behind Desmond Ridder for the league lead. Not trying to dog Hurts; he's great, but he's working with a far more talented cast of skill position guys than Mahomes, while not performing as well. Mahomes is in his own tier and no NFL player is nearly as indispensable to his team.
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@WFDevTeam 

Good point. Mahomes Fatigue.

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Not sure how anyone can rank Hurts ahead of Mahomes in the MVP race. Aside from Mahomes having a better record and stats than Hurts, Hurts currently leads the NFL in INTs and is one turnover behind Desmond Ridder for the league lead. Not trying to dog Hurts; he's great, but he's working with a far more talented cast of skill position guys than Mahomes, while not performing as well. Mahomes is in his own tier and no NFL player is nearly as indispensable to his team.
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@Mr. Bitter 

I don't disagree but leagues tend to not just give the MVP every year to such players.  They like to mix it up.  Philly may become an expert city in charity MVPs if Hurts picks one up here.  Him and Embiid could become best friends.

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Week 7 is going to thin the herd severely. Seems almost everybody burned BUF in Week 2.
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Yep week 7 took a sizeable bite.  glad to get thru.

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Week 7 is going to thin the herd severely. Seems almost everybody burned BUF in Week 2.
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I picked the Jags (NO -3) and it's being counted as a PUSH.
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I picked the Jags (NO -3) and it's being counted as a PUSH.
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@WFDevTeam 

Nope. Thanks

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I picked the Jags (NO -3) and it's being counted as a PUSH.
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@Mr. Bitter 

Is this still the case?

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I picked the Jags (NO -3) and it's being counted as a PUSH.
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@Mr. Bitter It shows the same with me...I selected the Jags and the page shows a push!
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@Walt

If this was just a spot start for P.J. Walker, or if he was as competent a backup QB as you seem to think (he's not), then I might be able to buy the "team will play well for him" angle. But with the news that Deshaun Watson will miss multiple more games, and the mixed messages surrounding his injury, I believe it's CLE and not SF that may come out flat.

Watson just isn't working out and Stefanski is losing the CLE locker room. The realization that the Watson signing was a whiff (and the catastrophic effects that will bring) is surely beginning to set in for the CLE front office and players. Getting out ahead of these types of things is key to handicapping, and I'm surprised you haven't sniffed out the impending collapse in CLE.

You need to lose the rose-colored glasses with P.J. Walker. He's a flat-out awful 3rd stringer that couldn't beat out Tyson freakin' Bagent in CHI, not a quality backup QB. (Hat tip to Karensman.) The CLE O-line is a disaster right now and will have no answer for the SF front seven. The current O/U is 36.5 and I'm betting the Niners get almost all of it.

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Saying the Browns are "loaded" is a stretch.

The arrow is pointing down for CLE. They are closer to collapse than dealing with a team as locked in as the 49ers right now. The Watson deal is not working out, and Stefanski is getting increasingly more cute with his overthought scheming this season.

Losing Chubb was a haymaker, and none of the backup RBs are stepping up. CLE has lost their identity.

Amari Cooper is CLE's only consistent aerial weapon. Peoples-Jones and Elijah Moore are trash. Njoku is a terminal tease consistently compromised by weird injuries. CLE's offense has zero explosive element.

CLE's O-line is overrated right now. Edge protection consists of the awful Jedrick Willis -who has regressed by the week and rumored to be on the trade block - and a raw, rookie RT. Interior stalwarts Bitonio and Pocic are banged up/questionable.

While the D-line has improved, Myles Garrett is the only real difference-make. He is nursing a foot injury and will be mostly lined up against the NFL's best LT.

I think you might be leaning on outdated assumptions about CLE and talking yourself into a "what was I thinking?" L in this one.

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@Karensman 

Great points on Walker. He sucks. He only sniffed the NFL because of Matt Rhule.

Bitonio is now officially OUT. The Browns are going to get trounced.

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Saying the Browns are "loaded" is a stretch.

The arrow is pointing down for CLE. They are closer to collapse than dealing with a team as locked in as the 49ers right now. The Watson deal is not working out, and Stefanski is getting increasingly more cute with his overthought scheming this season.

Losing Chubb was a haymaker, and none of the backup RBs are stepping up. CLE has lost their identity.

Amari Cooper is CLE's only consistent aerial weapon. Peoples-Jones and Elijah Moore are trash. Njoku is a terminal tease consistently compromised by weird injuries. CLE's offense has zero explosive element.

CLE's O-line is overrated right now. Edge protection consists of the awful Jedrick Willis -who has regressed by the week and rumored to be on the trade block - and a raw, rookie RT. Interior stalwarts Bitonio and Pocic are banged up/questionable.

While the D-line has improved, Myles Garrett is the only real difference-make. He is nursing a foot injury and will be mostly lined up against the NFL's best LT.

I think you might be leaning on outdated assumptions about CLE and talking yourself into a "what was I thinking?" L in this one.

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Saying the Browns are "loaded" is a stretch.

The arrow is pointing down for CLE. They are closer to collapse than dealing with a team as locked in as the 49ers right now. The Watson deal is not working out, and Stefanski is getting increasingly more cute with his overthought scheming this season.

Losing Chubb was a haymaker, and none of the backup RBs are stepping up. CLE has lost their identity.

Amari Cooper is CLE's only consistent aerial weapon. Peoples-Jones and Elijah Moore are trash. Njoku is a terminal tease consistently compromised by weird injuries. CLE's offense has zero explosive element.

CLE's O-line is overrated right now. Edge protection consists of the awful Jedrick Willis -who has regressed by the week and rumored to be on the trade block - and a raw, rookie RT. Interior stalwarts Bitonio and Pocic are banged up/questionable.

While the D-line has improved, Myles Garrett is the only real difference-make. He is nursing a foot injury and will be mostly lined up against the NFL's best LT.

I think you might be leaning on outdated assumptions about CLE and talking yourself into a "what was I thinking?" L in this one.

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Karensman 26 Posts (10 )
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@Mr. Bitter : I have to agree with your assessment of the Browns as no longer being 'loaded'. Losing Chubb is/was a difference maker, there is no getting around it. BTW, Walter spoke rather glowingly of P.J. Walker as a good quality backup QB which he performed well in that role last year for the Panthers. The Bears signed him in the offseason to be the backup to Justin Fields this year. Just before the season started: the Bears cut Walker and handed the backup job to an undrafted division 2A quarterback. Walker's exhibition performance was terrible. In  addition to releasing Walker, the Bears signed Peterman [ worst QB in NFL history ? ] for their 3rd string QB. Although I generally agree with Walt's assessment that many teams perform well for their backup QB, I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling for th Browns in this game. If Walker was still good why did they start the rookie Dorian Thompson Gray last week who was clearly not ready ?    
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@jmacphee9 

Completely agree on SF/PHI/DET separating from the NFC pack. Beyond those three teams, the NFC is a clusterf*ck of mediocrity.

Also agree on giving CIN the benefit of the doubt in the AFC. I think 10-7 or even 11-6 is doable for the Bengals. They could be a tougher out than BUF come playoff time. The injury bug is eating the Bills alive.

DET is absolutely better than DAL. Seeing CLE ahead of PHI is also jarring. I get that the Browns are solid on defense and at O-line, but there's been little indication that acquiring Watson isn't going to blow up in their face.

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Think you're overrating the Falcons and underrating the Texans. ATL owns the top ground defense and top 10 pass pressure defense partly because their defense is a pass funnel (1st in EPA per rush allowed but 23rd in dropback EPA), and they've faced three bottom ranked and injury/suspension-ravaged running offenses (CAR, GB with no Aaron Jones, JAX) and one good running game (DET) featuring a hobbled Ragnow and missing key components Montgomery, Decker and Vaitai. ATL's underlying pass pressure metrics belie their top 10 pass pressure rating: PFF 25th in pass rush grade, 26th in sack conversion rate, 4th-slowest time to pressure (2.63).

CJ Stroud hasn't been sacked in the last two weeks and hasn't committed a single turnover-worthy play this season despite operating behind a gutted O-line that gets back Tunsil and Howard this week. Sure, the ATL offense can run the ball, but they simply can't score right now and Ridder is a one man auto-fade. Meanwhile the HOU offense has dropped 30 points the last two weeks and is only getting healthier.

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Don't think you're giving Seattle enough credit for their win at Detroit. Sure, the Lions were banged up, but so were the Seahawks. No Charles Cross and Abe Lucas is a big deal.
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With Kaiir Elam a bust and Tre'Davious White again out for the season, Buffalo's lack of talent at CB will surely catch up to them before long.
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@The Champ 

I gotta be honest: I have great respect for Tony Pauline, but his mocks and some of his intel have been suspect this year, IMO. Not sure what's going on there.

I agree that Forbes is pretty much a Day One lock. I bet we see 6 or 7 DBs go in the 1st.

McDonald is right on the cusp for me. He really helped himself Senior Bowl week, but he's still overaged and a total liability vs. the run. Arguably the best edge bend in the class though. That's valuable.

I bet Walt and Charlie get Richardson back into the top 10 of their mocks in the next 48 hours. Too much upside. Some team will bite early. Athletic QBs that can win off-script are what every team craves right now.

Seattle isn't taking Carter. I'd bet my pinkie finger on it. Seattle is the perfect situation for Richardson.

Agree with you on Flowers. It wouldn't shock me if HOU grabbed him at 1.12. He's comparable to Jaylen Waddle. Those speedy YAC monsters are at a premium right now. Mel Kiper recently moved Flowers into his top 10. People can say what they will about Kiper, but when he abruptly moves a guy way up right before the draft it's because he's heard something, and he's usually right.

Addison is small, not a burner, and wasn't really that impressive for USC last season. I'd be surprised if he goes in the 1st round, and don't like the fit with the Chargers. They need speed. I bet teams quietly like Josh Downs better than Addison.

I could totally see HOU or ARI take Wilson over Anderson if they stick and pick at 2/3. They're both bad organizations that make bad decisions. My money is still on the over for Wilson though.

Torrence is a sloppy body with no versatility beyond  gap-scheme guard. He's the kind of O-line prospect the league is moving away from. I bet he goes late 2nd/3rd round.

Kincaid is overaged and there are rumblings that the bad back has teams more concerned than we've assumed. 2nd rounder for me.

I hadn't heard Zierlein's take on Levis at #2. Interesting.

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@TheOtherJohnnyFootball 

Don't get me wrong - Carter is in his own category talent-wise. His flashes are eye-popping. It's just that those flashes don't happen often enough. He's a tease.

I think the "Seattle loves taking on character concerns, so Carter makes sense at #5" stuff is lazy.

First of all, guys like Marshawn, Sherm, etc., were undoubtedly a little off and could be their own worst enemies at times, but nobody would ever suggest that they weren't motivated to be great or that they weren't passionate about football. That's the crucial difference between Carter and the reclamation projects Seattle has been known to take on. Carter has given zero indication that he's motivated to be great. He didn't at UGA, and he hasn't throughout the predraft process.

Secondly, when Schneider/Carroll take on those reclamation projects, they always do it at a discount. Sherm was a day 3 pick. That bought low on Marshawn. That's a far cry from burning the #5 overall pick on a character risk, especially when Seattle never drafts that high.

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Great mock. My only nitpick is Miami/Simpson at 2.51. I have to think that protecting Tua is far-and-away the top priority for the Dolphins. In your scenario, Bergeron would make sense to plug one of the holes at LG or RT.

You're right about Skoronski being a prospect that Douglas would have high on his draft board. Instant contributors will be targeted as we go all in on Rodgers next season. I hope Skoronski is still there at 1.13.

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@The Champ 

So much to chew on right now. So many sources that I respect saying they're "hearing" that such-and-such player is definitely going in the 1st round, etc. Thing is, just because they're hearing something doesn't necessarily make it true. (See: Tony Pauline basically guaranteeing the Chargers would move up for Jordan Davis last year, and a thousand other examples.) I mean, if you total up the prospects rumored to go on Day One, it would be around 40 guys for 31 slots. Some of these experts are obviously going to have egg on their faces. We just have to keep level heads and decide which rumors pass the sniff test.

That GB/NYJ/Smith-Njigba rumor makes sense. Could explain why the over odds on JSN's 12.5 O/U have bloated a bit recently.

I'm not convinced CHI will go OT at 1.9. They seem to like Braxton Jones' potential at LT, and 1.9 seems rich for a pure RT, especially when that D-line needs a complete rebuild and Pace's background is with organizations that traditionally address O-line outside the 1st round and through free agency. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if CHI goes Tyree Wilson (if slipping) or Myles Murphy. (Murphy just put up Travon Walker-level numbers at his workout. He's going top 15.) Gonzalez and Witherspoon are potential value plays.

I honestly have no idea where Jalen Carter will land. I think the "guaranteed top 10" stuff is more masterful media manipulation by Drew Rosenhaus than anything else. Carter is still a bust you can see coming from a mile away and teams know it. if he goes top 10, my best guess is PHI at 1.10. Howie Roseman has a long leash in Philly and is playing with house money with that pick. He's the only GM in the top 10 that can afford a true swing and miss, IMO.

I still think Michael Mayer goes 1st round. Such a clean prospect. I'm guessing late 1st teams like DAL, BUF, and CIN quietly love that Mayer's stock is "falling".

I still think Stroud is a solid bet at 1.2. It could be a situation where ownership steps in and demands it. That fan base isn't having another season of Davis Mills. Even if the Texans trade down, it could easily be with a team like ATL moving up for Stroud.

It's worth noting that over the last 24 hours, Will Levis' odds of going #2 overall have dropped from +1000 to +250, ahead of Stroud (+350) and right there with Will Anderson.

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Great mock. My only nitpick is Miami/Simpson at 2.51. I have to think that protecting Tua is far-and-away the top priority for the Dolphins. In your scenario, Bergeron would make sense to plug one of the holes at LG or RT.

You're right about Skoronski being a prospect that Douglas would have high on his draft board. Instant contributors will be targeted as we go all in on Rodgers next season. I hope Skoronski is still there at 1.13.

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Great mock. My only nitpick is Miami/Simpson at 2.51. I have to think that protecting Tua is far-and-away the top priority for the Dolphins. In your scenario, Bergeron would make sense to plug one of the holes at LG or RT.

You're right about Skoronski being a prospect that Douglas would have high on his draft board. Instant contributors will be targeted as we go all in on Rodgers next season. I hope Skoronski is still there at 1.13.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
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@The Champ I misspoke when talking about the JSN theory, of course it is the Jets currently scheduled at #13, not the Packers.  But the basic jist of it would be that the two clubs would swap picks if JSN is there, as New England would be a threat to take him at 14.  
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Great mock. My only nitpick is Miami/Simpson at 2.51. I have to think that protecting Tua is far-and-away the top priority for the Dolphins. In your scenario, Bergeron would make sense to plug one of the holes at LG or RT.

You're right about Skoronski being a prospect that Douglas would have high on his draft board. Instant contributors will be targeted as we go all in on Rodgers next season. I hope Skoronski is still there at 1.13.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
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@Mr. Bitter Fair point on Bergeron/Miami.  As it relates to Rodgers and the Jets and the Packers, I've seen some rumors making the rounds that the Packers are extremely high on Jaxon Smith-Njigba, and that the Rodgers trade is basically done.  Essentially, if JSN makes it to the Packers' scheduled pick at #13, the rumor is that the two teams would swap picks at #13 and #15 so that the Packers could take JSN, and then one of the 2nd Round picks will be heading to the Packers as has been widely speculated.  Or, I suppose, the Jets could technically take JSN and then the Packers would take whomever the Jets want at #15 and then the trade could get announced afterward, but you get the idea.  

Some other tidbits I've seen floating out there:

--Carter is not getting out of the top 10.  While I can't see Detroit, Seattle at 5 could happen, the Bears at 9 would be very likely to happen, and he wouldn't fall beyond Philly at 10.  

--Seeing some rumblings of Darnell Wright to the Bears at #9.  If Carter is gone and they want to go OT, he could get the call over Johnson or Skoronski or any of the others.  They really like their LT, and Wright might be seen as a great RT by them who is more ready to play than Johnson/Jones.

--Darnell Washington has a shot to go in the late 1st and in doing some dot connecting, Dallas met with him privately, and Dallas almost always meets its eventual 1st Round picks on an official 30 visit.  Notably, Dallas did NOT meet with Kincaid or Mayer.  Just something to file away for sure.  

--Daniel Jeremiah thinks it's better than 50/50 that Hooker ends up in the 1st Round.  

--Josh Norris is convinced that Emmanuel Forbes and Anton Harrison will be picked in the 1st Round.  

--There's been a media blitz of negative stuff on Stroud.  We heard about the alleged "hard to coach" stuff last week, though there was some pushback by locals on that.  But since then, it's come out that he ghosted the Manning Academy when he was supposed to appear, and also that he did terrible on the S2 test, which you can prepare for, of course.  Is he the second coming of Bo Callahan?  Ha, I kid, I kid.  

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Top notch, as always.

Two notes:

Bijan. The closer we get to draft day, the more I'm convinced Bijan Robinson will - somehow, some way - go top 10. Just such a clean, talented prospect. I get the RB devaluation angle, but if you're a win-now team like DET, ATL, or PHI, an All-Pro RB that puts you over the top may be considered worth the investment even if he's not on the roster beyond his fifth-year option.

An underrated aspect to Robinson's value is his receiving prowess. I've seen a few mocks recently that force Smith-Njigba to ATL at 1.8 because the Falcons have patched up most of their obvious holes along the depth chart save for the need for an explosive slot weapon. I think there's an argument that if Bijan was scouted purely as a slot receiver, he would top that prospect list along along with RB.

I realize that Allgeier had a nice rookie year and Patterson is still hanging around, but c'mon. Patterson is 32 and "Why would ATL draft Bijan? Allgeier is just fine" sounds a lot like "Why would ATL draft Kyle Pitts? Hayden Hurst is just fine".

Patriots/Devin McCourty replacement. First off, I don't buy the "Jalen Mills at free safety" talk for a second. Like you, I've been tempted to slot Brian Branch at 1.14 because - as you suggested - he just seems like such a Belichikian prospect and clean replacement for McCourty. Versatile, aggressive and consistent in run support, the 'Bama/Saban connection...all the Patriots DB boxes seemed to be checked. Then I dug a bit deeper.

The Pats value versatility and solid run support when scouting DBs and don't seem to mind below-average height/length. However, while studying the testing results of DBs drafted by the Pats going back nearly 15 years, a trend emerged. The Pats definitely value the DB speed/quickness/explosion trinity of sub-4.55 forty/sub-7.00 three cone/36"+ vertical. Branch (4.58 forty/no three cone test/34.5"V) is below NE's DB athletic standard. Not to suggest there's "no way" NE will draft Branch, but I'd be surprised - especially as high as 1.14.

A prospect that has "Patriots DB" written all over him is Jartavius Martin. Check out Martin's draft profile compared to McCourty's 2010 profile:

McCourty

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-10/193
  • 9" hand/32" arm
  • 4.38 forty
  • 6.70 three cone
  • 1.53 ten yard split
  • 36"V
  • 10'6" broad jump
  • 16 bench repst;
&lt;p>Martin:>

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-11/194
  • 9 5/8" hand/31 1/8" arm
  • 4.46 forty
  • No 3 cone test
  • 1.47 ten yard split
  • 44" V
  • 11'1" broad jump
  • 15 bench reps

I'm willing to bet that Martin is higher on NE's board than any other team.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 8 month(s) ago

@NoHeroes94 

I think Detroit will make a bold move on Draft Day. The NFC is there for the taking, and they aren't likely to be in blue chip range again any time soon.

The DET/Witherspoon chalk at 1.6 makes perfect sense from a need/culture fit standpoint, but I don't think it's going to happen. I love Witherspoon, but he was thoroughly mediocre until last season and has no elite physical traits. He's nothing close to a Sauce Gardner-type value, IMO.

I'm in the minority, but Joey Porter Jr. is my CB1. (Followed by Banks, Witherspoon, Gonzalez, and Turner.) Netting Porter or Banks at 1.17 is entirely possible and would be infinitely better value for DET than Witherspoon at 1.6, IMO.

Everyone seems convinced that if a team trades up to 1.3, it will be for Anthony Richardson. I'm not so sure. Richardson, for all his physical upside, is thoroughly inaccurate. That can't just be glossed over.

Assuming Young and Stroud go 1.1 and 1.2, I could see DET - armed with extra draft capital this year and next - trade up to 1.3 for Will Anderson. Anderson is the guy the Lions need. Arizona simply needs more picks to flesh out the depth chart, and at 1.6 they could have Tyree Wilson, Christian Gonzalez, Witherspoon, or (gulp) Jalen Carter.

On Tyree Wilson: I don't see it. Overaged Big12 defender who still hasn't tested predraft. Slow off the snap. No bend. I'm not buying the top 5 buzz. I'm guessing 6 to 12 range.

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1 years 8 month(s) ago

Top notch, as always.

Two notes:

Bijan. The closer we get to draft day, the more I'm convinced Bijan Robinson will - somehow, some way - go top 10. Just such a clean, talented prospect. I get the RB devaluation angle, but if you're a win-now team like DET, ATL, or PHI, an All-Pro RB that puts you over the top may be considered worth the investment even if he's not on the roster beyond his fifth-year option.

An underrated aspect to Robinson's value is his receiving prowess. I've seen a few mocks recently that force Smith-Njigba to ATL at 1.8 because the Falcons have patched up most of their obvious holes along the depth chart save for the need for an explosive slot weapon. I think there's an argument that if Bijan was scouted purely as a slot receiver, he would top that prospect list along along with RB.

I realize that Allgeier had a nice rookie year and Patterson is still hanging around, but c'mon. Patterson is 32 and "Why would ATL draft Bijan? Allgeier is just fine" sounds a lot like "Why would ATL draft Kyle Pitts? Hayden Hurst is just fine".

Patriots/Devin McCourty replacement. First off, I don't buy the "Jalen Mills at free safety" talk for a second. Like you, I've been tempted to slot Brian Branch at 1.14 because - as you suggested - he just seems like such a Belichikian prospect and clean replacement for McCourty. Versatile, aggressive and consistent in run support, the 'Bama/Saban connection...all the Patriots DB boxes seemed to be checked. Then I dug a bit deeper.

The Pats value versatility and solid run support when scouting DBs and don't seem to mind below-average height/length. However, while studying the testing results of DBs drafted by the Pats going back nearly 15 years, a trend emerged. The Pats definitely value the DB speed/quickness/explosion trinity of sub-4.55 forty/sub-7.00 three cone/36"+ vertical. Branch (4.58 forty/no three cone test/34.5"V) is below NE's DB athletic standard. Not to suggest there's "no way" NE will draft Branch, but I'd be surprised - especially as high as 1.14.

A prospect that has "Patriots DB" written all over him is Jartavius Martin. Check out Martin's draft profile compared to McCourty's 2010 profile:

McCourty

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-10/193
  • 9" hand/32" arm
  • 4.38 forty
  • 6.70 three cone
  • 1.53 ten yard split
  • 36"V
  • 10'6" broad jump
  • 16 bench repst;
&lt;p>Martin:>

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-11/194
  • 9 5/8" hand/31 1/8" arm
  • 4.46 forty
  • No 3 cone test
  • 1.47 ten yard split
  • 44" V
  • 11'1" broad jump
  • 15 bench reps

I'm willing to bet that Martin is higher on NE's board than any other team.

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1 years 8 month(s) ago - hide

Top notch, as always.

Two notes:

Bijan. The closer we get to draft day, the more I'm convinced Bijan Robinson will - somehow, some way - go top 10. Just such a clean, talented prospect. I get the RB devaluation angle, but if you're a win-now team like DET, ATL, or PHI, an All-Pro RB that puts you over the top may be considered worth the investment even if he's not on the roster beyond his fifth-year option.

An underrated aspect to Robinson's value is his receiving prowess. I've seen a few mocks recently that force Smith-Njigba to ATL at 1.8 because the Falcons have patched up most of their obvious holes along the depth chart save for the need for an explosive slot weapon. I think there's an argument that if Bijan was scouted purely as a slot receiver, he would top that prospect list along along with RB.

I realize that Allgeier had a nice rookie year and Patterson is still hanging around, but c'mon. Patterson is 32 and "Why would ATL draft Bijan? Allgeier is just fine" sounds a lot like "Why would ATL draft Kyle Pitts? Hayden Hurst is just fine".

Patriots/Devin McCourty replacement. First off, I don't buy the "Jalen Mills at free safety" talk for a second. Like you, I've been tempted to slot Brian Branch at 1.14 because - as you suggested - he just seems like such a Belichikian prospect and clean replacement for McCourty. Versatile, aggressive and consistent in run support, the 'Bama/Saban connection...all the Patriots DB boxes seemed to be checked. Then I dug a bit deeper.

The Pats value versatility and solid run support when scouting DBs and don't seem to mind below-average height/length. However, while studying the testing results of DBs drafted by the Pats going back nearly 15 years, a trend emerged. The Pats definitely value the DB speed/quickness/explosion trinity of sub-4.55 forty/sub-7.00 three cone/36"+ vertical. Branch (4.58 forty/no three cone test/34.5"V) is below NE's DB athletic standard. Not to suggest there's "no way" NE will draft Branch, but I'd be surprised - especially as high as 1.14.

A prospect that has "Patriots DB" written all over him is Jartavius Martin. Check out Martin's draft profile compared to McCourty's 2010 profile:

McCourty

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-10/193
  • 9" hand/32" arm
  • 4.38 forty
  • 6.70 three cone
  • 1.53 ten yard split
  • 36"V
  • 10'6" broad jump
  • 16 bench repst;
&lt;p>Martin:>

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-11/194
  • 9 5/8" hand/31 1/8" arm
  • 4.46 forty
  • No 3 cone test
  • 1.47 ten yard split
  • 44" V
  • 11'1" broad jump
  • 15 bench reps

I'm willing to bet that Martin is higher on NE's board than any other team.

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@Mr. Bitter They drafted Cole Strange 29th overall, literally anything is on the table for New England... 
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Top notch, as always.

Two notes:

Bijan. The closer we get to draft day, the more I'm convinced Bijan Robinson will - somehow, some way - go top 10. Just such a clean, talented prospect. I get the RB devaluation angle, but if you're a win-now team like DET, ATL, or PHI, an All-Pro RB that puts you over the top may be considered worth the investment even if he's not on the roster beyond his fifth-year option.

An underrated aspect to Robinson's value is his receiving prowess. I've seen a few mocks recently that force Smith-Njigba to ATL at 1.8 because the Falcons have patched up most of their obvious holes along the depth chart save for the need for an explosive slot weapon. I think there's an argument that if Bijan was scouted purely as a slot receiver, he would top that prospect list along along with RB.

I realize that Allgeier had a nice rookie year and Patterson is still hanging around, but c'mon. Patterson is 32 and "Why would ATL draft Bijan? Allgeier is just fine" sounds a lot like "Why would ATL draft Kyle Pitts? Hayden Hurst is just fine".

Patriots/Devin McCourty replacement. First off, I don't buy the "Jalen Mills at free safety" talk for a second. Like you, I've been tempted to slot Brian Branch at 1.14 because - as you suggested - he just seems like such a Belichikian prospect and clean replacement for McCourty. Versatile, aggressive and consistent in run support, the 'Bama/Saban connection...all the Patriots DB boxes seemed to be checked. Then I dug a bit deeper.

The Pats value versatility and solid run support when scouting DBs and don't seem to mind below-average height/length. However, while studying the testing results of DBs drafted by the Pats going back nearly 15 years, a trend emerged. The Pats definitely value the DB speed/quickness/explosion trinity of sub-4.55 forty/sub-7.00 three cone/36"+ vertical. Branch (4.58 forty/no three cone test/34.5"V) is below NE's DB athletic standard. Not to suggest there's "no way" NE will draft Branch, but I'd be surprised - especially as high as 1.14.

A prospect that has "Patriots DB" written all over him is Jartavius Martin. Check out Martin's draft profile compared to McCourty's 2010 profile:

McCourty

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-10/193
  • 9" hand/32" arm
  • 4.38 forty
  • 6.70 three cone
  • 1.53 ten yard split
  • 36"V
  • 10'6" broad jump
  • 16 bench repst;
&lt;p>Martin:>

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-11/194
  • 9 5/8" hand/31 1/8" arm
  • 4.46 forty
  • No 3 cone test
  • 1.47 ten yard split
  • 44" V
  • 11'1" broad jump
  • 15 bench reps

I'm willing to bet that Martin is higher on NE's board than any other team.

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NoHeroes94 9 Posts (6 )
1 years 8 month(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter Bijan absolutely should go top-10. I don't think the Eagles will do it, but it fits Atlanta's M.O. under Fontenot (Kyle Pitts, Drake London). 

If Will Anderson Jr. and Tyree Wilson are off the board in the top-5, I think Detroit should take him and its the best fit in the 1st round IMO. They need one more boundary corner to finish that group, but this is a deep corner class; someone like Deonte Banks makes sense at No. 18, or Emmanuel Forbes in a trade-down scenario. On Day 2, DJ Turner, Cam Smith, Tyrique Stevenson, Kelee Ringo or Darius Rush all make sense. Unless they are enamoured with Witherspoon and Gonzalez at No. 6, I'd take a generational prospect, running back or not.

I've retracted off mocking that in recent weeks as it's a pretty risky pick which could ruin my top-10, but hoping for some insight from Charlie as to whether Detroit have a favourite. I've heard Tyree Wilson is someone they like, but I think Tyree Wilson is 50/50 to go top-5 at this point.

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Top notch, as always.

Two notes:

Bijan. The closer we get to draft day, the more I'm convinced Bijan Robinson will - somehow, some way - go top 10. Just such a clean, talented prospect. I get the RB devaluation angle, but if you're a win-now team like DET, ATL, or PHI, an All-Pro RB that puts you over the top may be considered worth the investment even if he's not on the roster beyond his fifth-year option.

An underrated aspect to Robinson's value is his receiving prowess. I've seen a few mocks recently that force Smith-Njigba to ATL at 1.8 because the Falcons have patched up most of their obvious holes along the depth chart save for the need for an explosive slot weapon. I think there's an argument that if Bijan was scouted purely as a slot receiver, he would top that prospect list along along with RB.

I realize that Allgeier had a nice rookie year and Patterson is still hanging around, but c'mon. Patterson is 32 and "Why would ATL draft Bijan? Allgeier is just fine" sounds a lot like "Why would ATL draft Kyle Pitts? Hayden Hurst is just fine".

Patriots/Devin McCourty replacement. First off, I don't buy the "Jalen Mills at free safety" talk for a second. Like you, I've been tempted to slot Brian Branch at 1.14 because - as you suggested - he just seems like such a Belichikian prospect and clean replacement for McCourty. Versatile, aggressive and consistent in run support, the 'Bama/Saban connection...all the Patriots DB boxes seemed to be checked. Then I dug a bit deeper.

The Pats value versatility and solid run support when scouting DBs and don't seem to mind below-average height/length. However, while studying the testing results of DBs drafted by the Pats going back nearly 15 years, a trend emerged. The Pats definitely value the DB speed/quickness/explosion trinity of sub-4.55 forty/sub-7.00 three cone/36"+ vertical. Branch (4.58 forty/no three cone test/34.5"V) is below NE's DB athletic standard. Not to suggest there's "no way" NE will draft Branch, but I'd be surprised - especially as high as 1.14.

A prospect that has "Patriots DB" written all over him is Jartavius Martin. Check out Martin's draft profile compared to McCourty's 2010 profile:

McCourty

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-10/193
  • 9" hand/32" arm
  • 4.38 forty
  • 6.70 three cone
  • 1.53 ten yard split
  • 36"V
  • 10'6" broad jump
  • 16 bench repst;
&lt;p>Martin:>

  • Pros: Deep safety/boundary/slot versatility. Aggressive/consistent in run support and at catch point. Plus ball skills. Senior leader. Special teams standout. Senior Bowl standout.
  • 5-11/194
  • 9 5/8" hand/31 1/8" arm
  • 4.46 forty
  • No 3 cone test
  • 1.47 ten yard split
  • 44" V
  • 11'1" broad jump
  • 15 bench reps

I'm willing to bet that Martin is higher on NE's board than any other team.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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To be clear, I'm not suggesting Martin is an option at 1.14, but if the Pats do their "trade down a ways and draft an obscure tester/scheme fit" routine, Martin is a guy to watch out for.

Also, I'm with you and Charlie on Zay Flowers if the Pats stick and pick at 1.14. Too much smoke to ignore and an ideal fit.

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1 years 8 month(s) ago

This sucker is mind-blowing. Thorough and excellent.

My two nitpicks:

BUF/Jahmyr Gibbs. Gibbs is a better talent than James Cook, but it still feels redundant. (Similar to your Gibbs/Tony Pollard take, with Cook a poor man's Pollard.)

I've read reports that Buffalo's offseason focus is on becoming less reliant on Josh Allen. I'm guessing that means prioritizing upgrades in the trenches on both sides of the ball and establishing a power running element beyond Allen. The less Allen has to run and is tempted to go deep-ball hunting, the less chance for those back-breaking hero ball turnovers.

I've been consistently mocking Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell, or Trenton Simpson to BUF at 1.27, but I'm done with that. (I fell into the dreaded "reach to fill an obvious need" trap.) I'm now thinking BUF will go D-line. Watching Buffalo's season go down the drain as Cincinnati's depleted O-line embarrassed Buffalo's front four surely haunts Sean McDermott.

Ed Oliver is rumored to be on the trading block. DaQuan Jones is upgradeable. Von Miller is injured and approaching twilight. Basham and Epenesa aren't developing as hoped. I'm guessing the Bills target Mazi Smith or Keion White on Day One, perhaps unless Darnell Wright slips into their range. (RT Spencer Brown is in over his head as a starter.)

Houston won't pass on a QB at #2. I agree that Peter King is overrated as a source. (I'll also add that he's a big ol' goof who has been coasting off his SI journalism career for years while drunk on sanctimony and overpriced, hipster microbrewery swill. But that's just me.) However, other sources have suggested HOU could go defense at 1.2, including (and most importantly) Lance Zierlein.

Zierlein is wired into all things Texans, and when he opines on Houston's draft intentions it almost always carries weight. (He nailed the Derek Stingley and Kenyon Green picks in his final mock last year, FWIW.)

Zierlein suggests that HOU has had Bryce Young alone in QB tier one all along, with Stroud/Richardson/Levis clustered substantially below in tier two. I don't think that's far-fetched.

Don't get me wrong - you're probably right about HOU going QB at 1.2. But the idea of passing on the non-Bryce Young QBs at 1.2 isn't outlandish, IMO. Let's not forget that the Texans have pick 1.12 and are swimming in '23 and '24 draft capital, so if they have similar grades on Stroud/Richardson/Levis, they may think they can go Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson at 1.2 then swing a trade up from 1.12 for their QB. Rebuild cornerstones for both offense and defense.

A prearranged trade with ARI for 1.3 would actually make some sense. Having used 1.2 to draft ARI's possibly preferred 1.3 no-trade fallback option, Caserio could get on the horn with Ossenfort (familiarity from their days in New England) and talk business.

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This sucker is mind-blowing. Thorough and excellent.

My two nitpicks:

BUF/Jahmyr Gibbs. Gibbs is a better talent than James Cook, but it still feels redundant. (Similar to your Gibbs/Tony Pollard take, with Cook a poor man's Pollard.)

I've read reports that Buffalo's offseason focus is on becoming less reliant on Josh Allen. I'm guessing that means prioritizing upgrades in the trenches on both sides of the ball and establishing a power running element beyond Allen. The less Allen has to run and is tempted to go deep-ball hunting, the less chance for those back-breaking hero ball turnovers.

I've been consistently mocking Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell, or Trenton Simpson to BUF at 1.27, but I'm done with that. (I fell into the dreaded "reach to fill an obvious need" trap.) I'm now thinking BUF will go D-line. Watching Buffalo's season go down the drain as Cincinnati's depleted O-line embarrassed Buffalo's front four surely haunts Sean McDermott.

Ed Oliver is rumored to be on the trading block. DaQuan Jones is upgradeable. Von Miller is injured and approaching twilight. Basham and Epenesa aren't developing as hoped. I'm guessing the Bills target Mazi Smith or Keion White on Day One, perhaps unless Darnell Wright slips into their range. (RT Spencer Brown is in over his head as a starter.)

Houston won't pass on a QB at #2. I agree that Peter King is overrated as a source. (I'll also add that he's a big ol' goof who has been coasting off his SI journalism career for years while drunk on sanctimony and overpriced, hipster microbrewery swill. But that's just me.) However, other sources have suggested HOU could go defense at 1.2, including (and most importantly) Lance Zierlein.

Zierlein is wired into all things Texans, and when he opines on Houston's draft intentions it almost always carries weight. (He nailed the Derek Stingley and Kenyon Green picks in his final mock last year, FWIW.)

Zierlein suggests that HOU has had Bryce Young alone in QB tier one all along, with Stroud/Richardson/Levis clustered substantially below in tier two. I don't think that's far-fetched.

Don't get me wrong - you're probably right about HOU going QB at 1.2. But the idea of passing on the non-Bryce Young QBs at 1.2 isn't outlandish, IMO. Let's not forget that the Texans have pick 1.12 and are swimming in '23 and '24 draft capital, so if they have similar grades on Stroud/Richardson/Levis, they may think they can go Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson at 1.2 then swing a trade up from 1.12 for their QB. Rebuild cornerstones for both offense and defense.

A prearranged trade with ARI for 1.3 would actually make some sense. Having used 1.2 to draft ARI's possibly preferred 1.3 no-trade fallback option, Caserio could get on the horn with Ossenfort (familiarity from their days in New England) and talk business.

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NoHeroes94 9 Posts (6 )
1 years 8 month(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter Thanks for all this.

I largely agree. It really depends on the team. For example, am fine with teams waiting until the next year if the team is 2-3 years from being ready to compete and possesses a abysmal O-line. For example, I think it would be a horrendous mistake for Tennessee to trade up to No. 3 for a QB this year unless Young/Stroud slips past the top-2. Their roster is dreadful, and anyone they send out would be like a lamb to the slaughter (Levis/Richardson at No. 11 may be a different scenario, because they haven't squandered future capital to protect and equip said QB). Richardson and Levis both have serious flaws.

Mostly, I'm in the same camp that waiting for X QB in the next draft is very flawed logic. You don't know if you'll be bad enough, whether they'll regress, whether they'll have off-field or medical stuff, whether you can trade, all that. For example, if the Titans land the No. 1 overall pick in 2024, and Houston is in the 3-7 range, you really think they're going to engineer a trade to go and take the current "consensus" QB1 Caleb Williams? No chance. They'd likely be in the same position as this year - QB2 or someone else. 

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This sucker is mind-blowing. Thorough and excellent.

My two nitpicks:

BUF/Jahmyr Gibbs. Gibbs is a better talent than James Cook, but it still feels redundant. (Similar to your Gibbs/Tony Pollard take, with Cook a poor man's Pollard.)

I've read reports that Buffalo's offseason focus is on becoming less reliant on Josh Allen. I'm guessing that means prioritizing upgrades in the trenches on both sides of the ball and establishing a power running element beyond Allen. The less Allen has to run and is tempted to go deep-ball hunting, the less chance for those back-breaking hero ball turnovers.

I've been consistently mocking Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell, or Trenton Simpson to BUF at 1.27, but I'm done with that. (I fell into the dreaded "reach to fill an obvious need" trap.) I'm now thinking BUF will go D-line. Watching Buffalo's season go down the drain as Cincinnati's depleted O-line embarrassed Buffalo's front four surely haunts Sean McDermott.

Ed Oliver is rumored to be on the trading block. DaQuan Jones is upgradeable. Von Miller is injured and approaching twilight. Basham and Epenesa aren't developing as hoped. I'm guessing the Bills target Mazi Smith or Keion White on Day One, perhaps unless Darnell Wright slips into their range. (RT Spencer Brown is in over his head as a starter.)

Houston won't pass on a QB at #2. I agree that Peter King is overrated as a source. (I'll also add that he's a big ol' goof who has been coasting off his SI journalism career for years while drunk on sanctimony and overpriced, hipster microbrewery swill. But that's just me.) However, other sources have suggested HOU could go defense at 1.2, including (and most importantly) Lance Zierlein.

Zierlein is wired into all things Texans, and when he opines on Houston's draft intentions it almost always carries weight. (He nailed the Derek Stingley and Kenyon Green picks in his final mock last year, FWIW.)

Zierlein suggests that HOU has had Bryce Young alone in QB tier one all along, with Stroud/Richardson/Levis clustered substantially below in tier two. I don't think that's far-fetched.

Don't get me wrong - you're probably right about HOU going QB at 1.2. But the idea of passing on the non-Bryce Young QBs at 1.2 isn't outlandish, IMO. Let's not forget that the Texans have pick 1.12 and are swimming in '23 and '24 draft capital, so if they have similar grades on Stroud/Richardson/Levis, they may think they can go Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson at 1.2 then swing a trade up from 1.12 for their QB. Rebuild cornerstones for both offense and defense.

A prearranged trade with ARI for 1.3 would actually make some sense. Having used 1.2 to draft ARI's possibly preferred 1.3 no-trade fallback option, Caserio could get on the horn with Ossenfort (familiarity from their days in New England) and talk business.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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One more thing to consider: I'm not sure if you're aware, but vague rumors of Stroud being "uncoachable" and "moody" have suddenly popped up. I live in Columbus and am familiar with some of the coaches and players, and I have never heard a single mention of character red flags with Stroud. Just the opposite. (If you're unfamiliar with Stroud's back story, give it a read. Stroud is all perseverance and self-motivation.) Stroud is quiet and even-tempered, which can be twisted into "moody" for nefarious purposes. The rumors reek of fake news leaked by the Panthers to reinforce the idea that they are focusing on Young at 1.1.
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This sucker is mind-blowing. Thorough and excellent.

My two nitpicks:

BUF/Jahmyr Gibbs. Gibbs is a better talent than James Cook, but it still feels redundant. (Similar to your Gibbs/Tony Pollard take, with Cook a poor man's Pollard.)

I've read reports that Buffalo's offseason focus is on becoming less reliant on Josh Allen. I'm guessing that means prioritizing upgrades in the trenches on both sides of the ball and establishing a power running element beyond Allen. The less Allen has to run and is tempted to go deep-ball hunting, the less chance for those back-breaking hero ball turnovers.

I've been consistently mocking Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell, or Trenton Simpson to BUF at 1.27, but I'm done with that. (I fell into the dreaded "reach to fill an obvious need" trap.) I'm now thinking BUF will go D-line. Watching Buffalo's season go down the drain as Cincinnati's depleted O-line embarrassed Buffalo's front four surely haunts Sean McDermott.

Ed Oliver is rumored to be on the trading block. DaQuan Jones is upgradeable. Von Miller is injured and approaching twilight. Basham and Epenesa aren't developing as hoped. I'm guessing the Bills target Mazi Smith or Keion White on Day One, perhaps unless Darnell Wright slips into their range. (RT Spencer Brown is in over his head as a starter.)

Houston won't pass on a QB at #2. I agree that Peter King is overrated as a source. (I'll also add that he's a big ol' goof who has been coasting off his SI journalism career for years while drunk on sanctimony and overpriced, hipster microbrewery swill. But that's just me.) However, other sources have suggested HOU could go defense at 1.2, including (and most importantly) Lance Zierlein.

Zierlein is wired into all things Texans, and when he opines on Houston's draft intentions it almost always carries weight. (He nailed the Derek Stingley and Kenyon Green picks in his final mock last year, FWIW.)

Zierlein suggests that HOU has had Bryce Young alone in QB tier one all along, with Stroud/Richardson/Levis clustered substantially below in tier two. I don't think that's far-fetched.

Don't get me wrong - you're probably right about HOU going QB at 1.2. But the idea of passing on the non-Bryce Young QBs at 1.2 isn't outlandish, IMO. Let's not forget that the Texans have pick 1.12 and are swimming in '23 and '24 draft capital, so if they have similar grades on Stroud/Richardson/Levis, they may think they can go Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson at 1.2 then swing a trade up from 1.12 for their QB. Rebuild cornerstones for both offense and defense.

A prearranged trade with ARI for 1.3 would actually make some sense. Having used 1.2 to draft ARI's possibly preferred 1.3 no-trade fallback option, Caserio could get on the horn with Ossenfort (familiarity from their days in New England) and talk business.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@NoHeroes94 

Yeah, Charlie's the man. As the '22 draft was unfolding, I sincerely thought for a moment that he was going to nail every pick in the top 15. Walt is lucky to have him on board.

Another angle on the Young/Stroud intrigue: Since the secret is out that HOU covets Young, perhaps the sudden CAR/Young rumors are a smokescreen to lure HOU to 1.1 and net Stroud (who the Panthers preferred all along) at 1.2 along with more draft capital. (I find it very odd that Shefter and others were reporting that CAR was "open for business" almost immediately after they traded up to 1.1. There has to be some meat on that bone.)

Obviously, trading up to 1.1 would be a "bad look" for the Texans, but if they truly believe Young is the only franchise QB in this crop, they should go get him. Nobody will remember the embarrassment of trading up if Young becomes a perennial Pro Bowler.

Ultimately, I agree with your 80% certainty. The Texans will most likely just call Carolina's bluff and be content with Young or Stroud.

My biggest pet peeve when reading mocks is when people suggest such-and-such team should just "wait til next year" to draft a QB. Such flawed logic. Like you said, there's no guarantee the team will be in range, or that the teams that are in range will want to trade down. There's also no guarantee that the future QBs presumed to be superior to what's available now will actually live up to the hype. (See: "Dude, we should just wait until next year and draft Spencer Rattler!")

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This sucker is mind-blowing. Thorough and excellent.

My two nitpicks:

BUF/Jahmyr Gibbs. Gibbs is a better talent than James Cook, but it still feels redundant. (Similar to your Gibbs/Tony Pollard take, with Cook a poor man's Pollard.)

I've read reports that Buffalo's offseason focus is on becoming less reliant on Josh Allen. I'm guessing that means prioritizing upgrades in the trenches on both sides of the ball and establishing a power running element beyond Allen. The less Allen has to run and is tempted to go deep-ball hunting, the less chance for those back-breaking hero ball turnovers.

I've been consistently mocking Drew Sanders, Jack Campbell, or Trenton Simpson to BUF at 1.27, but I'm done with that. (I fell into the dreaded "reach to fill an obvious need" trap.) I'm now thinking BUF will go D-line. Watching Buffalo's season go down the drain as Cincinnati's depleted O-line embarrassed Buffalo's front four surely haunts Sean McDermott.

Ed Oliver is rumored to be on the trading block. DaQuan Jones is upgradeable. Von Miller is injured and approaching twilight. Basham and Epenesa aren't developing as hoped. I'm guessing the Bills target Mazi Smith or Keion White on Day One, perhaps unless Darnell Wright slips into their range. (RT Spencer Brown is in over his head as a starter.)

Houston won't pass on a QB at #2. I agree that Peter King is overrated as a source. (I'll also add that he's a big ol' goof who has been coasting off his SI journalism career for years while drunk on sanctimony and overpriced, hipster microbrewery swill. But that's just me.) However, other sources have suggested HOU could go defense at 1.2, including (and most importantly) Lance Zierlein.

Zierlein is wired into all things Texans, and when he opines on Houston's draft intentions it almost always carries weight. (He nailed the Derek Stingley and Kenyon Green picks in his final mock last year, FWIW.)

Zierlein suggests that HOU has had Bryce Young alone in QB tier one all along, with Stroud/Richardson/Levis clustered substantially below in tier two. I don't think that's far-fetched.

Don't get me wrong - you're probably right about HOU going QB at 1.2. But the idea of passing on the non-Bryce Young QBs at 1.2 isn't outlandish, IMO. Let's not forget that the Texans have pick 1.12 and are swimming in '23 and '24 draft capital, so if they have similar grades on Stroud/Richardson/Levis, they may think they can go Will Anderson or Tyree Wilson at 1.2 then swing a trade up from 1.12 for their QB. Rebuild cornerstones for both offense and defense.

A prearranged trade with ARI for 1.3 would actually make some sense. Having used 1.2 to draft ARI's possibly preferred 1.3 no-trade fallback option, Caserio could get on the horn with Ossenfort (familiarity from their days in New England) and talk business.

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NoHeroes94 9 Posts (6 )
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@Mr. Bitter I really appreciate it thank you!

I completely understand both points. Ed Oliver has been a disappointment and i think i mocked them a DT in a few mock interstions lack year, can't remember precisely, but it makes sense as hes entering contract crunch time. Gibbs feels like an awesome fit but that logic is probably right.

Texans, well it would be a huge shock but I think Zierlein is a good guy so im less dismissive now its not just coming from King. I'd really feel for Texans fans if this is true.

They'll come to their own conclusions, and I'm a nobody behind a keyboard, but Young and Stroud seem like really quality potential franchise QB options, and you can never guarantee you be "bad enough" to be able to target a top-QB next year. They aren't trading up the farm for a QB like my Niners did in '21 (that hasnt oanned put well, but the ramifications could have been worse) so it wouldn't set their franchise back 5 years if they do make the wrong call (e.g. the Jets and Zach Wilson isnt devastating for their future IMO -  they just got it wrong). 

I am still 80% confident they are taking a QB. Hopefilly Charlie digs a bit and finds something.

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Your 2nd round is picture perfect. So many ideal values/scheme fits. (Bresee/PIT, ARI/Adebawore, ARI/Tillman, CIN/Charbonnet, CHI/White, Brents/SEA really stand out.) Can tell you did your homework.

Love that Ojulari/NE pick. Everyone thinks the Pats are set at EDGE, and on the surface they are, but Judon is 31 and has no more guaranteed salary after this season. Belichick is always looking ahead to stay young and inexpensive along the front seven.

I question whether the Rams will go IOL in the 2nd. They appear to be much closer to a rebuild than playoff contention. I'm guessing they'll be targeting premium position prospects on Day 2.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Your 2nd round is picture perfect. So many ideal values/scheme fits. (Bresee/PIT, ARI/Adebawore, ARI/Tillman, CIN/Charbonnet, CHI/White, Brents/SEA really stand out.) Can tell you did your homework.

Love that Ojulari/NE pick. Everyone thinks the Pats are set at EDGE, and on the surface they are, but Judon is 31 and has no more guaranteed salary after this season. Belichick is always looking ahead to stay young and inexpensive along the front seven.

I question whether the Rams will go IOL in the 2nd. They appear to be much closer to a rebuild than playoff contention. I'm guessing they'll be targeting premium position prospects on Day 2.

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@Mr. Bitter Yeah, the Rams could look at CB's or edge players for sure, if they don't like one of the tackle prospects.  In this case I had Harrison go just one pick before, and Mauch is probably a guard in the NFL, so sure, I may have to re-think that one.  
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If Bryce Young goes #1, I think HOU becomes a wildcard at #2.

Lance Zierlein - plugged-in Houston beat who nailed the Stingley and Green picks last year - says that Bryce Young is the QB the Texans prefer, and that they could easily pass on Stroud at #2 (partly because he shares Deshaun Watson's agent). Peter King has suggested the same.

It's worth noting that HOU was reportedly calling the Bears about moving to #1 before CAR gave up that haul, indicating HOU may not be as satisfied just taking who remains of Young/Stroud at #2 as we think.

Assuming that the apparent gap between Young/Stroud and AR/Levis is real, HOU might be confident they can draft Will Anderson at #2 then - armed with the most '23-'24 draft capital - move up from #12 to grab a slipping AR/Levis.

I'm just getting the sense that things will be more chaotic than we anticipate in the top 10.

Quick question: Do you know of a source for updated draft odds/props other than FanDuel and the like?

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
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@Mr. Bitter To answer your last question, I just see things on Twitter from various outlets.  

I'd still be surprised if Houston passes on Stroud, assuming Young goes #1.  There's no guarantee of being able to move back up from #12, for one thing.  And trading draft capital to move up for Richardson after winning in Week 18 would look really terrible as far as the optics.  At least, as I see it.  If anything, if they aren't in love with Stroud, maybe they trade down, get a haul, and dip their toes in the QB market next year.  

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1 years 8 month(s) ago

If Bryce Young goes #1, I think HOU becomes a wildcard at #2.

Lance Zierlein - plugged-in Houston beat who nailed the Stingley and Green picks last year - says that Bryce Young is the QB the Texans prefer, and that they could easily pass on Stroud at #2 (partly because he shares Deshaun Watson's agent). Peter King has suggested the same.

It's worth noting that HOU was reportedly calling the Bears about moving to #1 before CAR gave up that haul, indicating HOU may not be as satisfied just taking who remains of Young/Stroud at #2 as we think.

Assuming that the apparent gap between Young/Stroud and AR/Levis is real, HOU might be confident they can draft Will Anderson at #2 then - armed with the most '23-'24 draft capital - move up from #12 to grab a slipping AR/Levis.

I'm just getting the sense that things will be more chaotic than we anticipate in the top 10.

Quick question: Do you know of a source for updated draft odds/props other than FanDuel and the like?

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 8 month(s) ago

Love that reasonable trade up by the Steelers. Of all the mock draft trade predictions I've seen, PIT trading up to ensure getting one of Gonzalez/Witherspoon/Porter/Banks is the most likely IMO.

Great Mock. Nice to see someone who isn't falling for the Hendon Hooker in the 1st stuff. My only criticism is SEA/Torrence. His skill set is a poor fit for the McVay-type zone blocking scheme the Seahawks have installed. They're looking for lighter, athletic, ex-tackle types at guard these days. Something more along the lines of Cody Mauch, Braeden Daniels, etc. If they move down from 20 to the late 1st/early 2nd (very possible), I'm guessing it would be for John Michael Schmitz.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Marshawn Lynch was passionate about football and the Seahawks acquired him at a discount. A lot different than burning the 5th overall pick on a player that isn't passionate about football.
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1 years 8 month(s) ago

There were coachability and motivation red flags with Carter long before the crash and Pro Day debacle. Seattle has been very vocal about targeting high character, low maintenance prospects basically since Malik McDowell. I'm not sure where this "The Seahawks will overlook Carter's character issues" narrative that has made him the recent chalk pick at #5 comes from. It's like one guy said it and now everyone is mindlessly running with it. Seattle isn't going to draft Carter.

Carter is the opposite of what Holmes/Campbell are looking for to join the cultural renaissance in Detroit. Vegas won't touch Carter for obvious reasons (Ruggs). The Falcons bolstered their IDL during free agency and have a fine 3T in Jarrett. It's doubtful Ryan Pace wants his first major move as GM to be trading out of #1 to draft Carter. Realistically, Howie Roseman might be the first GM that even considers Carter. Roseman has two 1sts and a long leash in Philly. He can withstand a whiff. If the Eagles pass on Carter, there's no telling how far he might fall.

The Ravens have five total picks and no 2nd rounder. If anything, they'll be looking to trade down.

I love Joey Porter, but he's an island/boundary CB. Darious Williams is fine opposite Campbell in JAX. The Jags need a NB.

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1 years 8 month(s) ago

Ndamukong Suh's last two seasons at Nebraska:

16 TFL/7.5 sacks

20.5 TFL/12 sacks

Jalen Carter's last two seasons at Georgia:

8.5 TFL/3 sacks

7 TFL/3 sacks

Suh's troublemaking:

Flags and fines for overemotional, overaggressive play. Quiet, loner type, but a respected teammate with outstanding character off the field.

Carter's troublemaking:

Repeated warnings by GA officers to stop speeding (documented 89 in 45). Ignores warnings. Shortly later, gets shit-faced at strip club, decides to street race in very same area he was earlier warned, likely causing fatal crash of teammate and UGA recruiting assistant. (Police report indicates Carter's vehicle had similar "falling object" damage to roof as did the car that crashed, meaning Carter was in very close proximity during crash.) Doesn't call 911, instead leaves friends to die to save his own ass. Returns to the scene only upon demand of authorities, then gives inconsistent story of incident.

Skates away with only misdemeanor charges because football rules all in Athens, GA. Instead of focusing on redemption during predraft process, blows off Combine testing then shows up at Pro Day overweight, gives the most embarrassing bag drill effort ever while seemingly hungover, then just quits. This from a player who sorely needed to answer endurance/conditioning questions after being regularly winded at the end of games at Georgia where he rarely played more than 40% of snaps.

 

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Ndamukong Suh's last two seasons at Nebraska:

16 TFL/7.5 sacks

20.5 TFL/12 sacks

Jalen Carter's last two seasons at Georgia:

8.5 TFL/3 sacks

7 TFL/3 sacks

Suh's troublemaking:

Flags and fines for overemotional, overaggressive play. Quiet, loner type, but a respected teammate with outstanding character off the field.

Carter's troublemaking:

Repeated warnings by GA officers to stop speeding (documented 89 in 45). Ignores warnings. Shortly later, gets shit-faced at strip club, decides to street race in very same area he was earlier warned, likely causing fatal crash of teammate and UGA recruiting assistant. (Police report indicates Carter's vehicle had similar "falling object" damage to roof as did the car that crashed, meaning Carter was in very close proximity during crash.) Doesn't call 911, instead leaves friends to die to save his own ass. Returns to the scene only upon demand of authorities, then gives inconsistent story of incident.

Skates away with only misdemeanor charges because football rules all in Athens, GA. Instead of focusing on redemption during predraft process, blows off Combine testing then shows up at Pro Day overweight, gives the most embarrassing bag drill effort ever while seemingly hungover, then just quits. This from a player who sorely needed to answer endurance/conditioning questions after being regularly winded at the end of games at Georgia where he rarely played more than 40% of snaps.

 

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Carter's troublemaking continued:

Recently released police body cam footage shows Carter acting defiant and less than forthcoming about the crash incident while being questioned about what happened. He mostly talks to a friend on his phone while ignoring the questions of the officer who is only trying to figure out what happened.

But wait, there's more -

There are reports of abysmal predraft team interviews where Carter was not forthcoming about the incident. (Sensing a pattern?)

Now - just today - the cherry on top of the poop sundae that has been Carter's predraft process: In an almost comical display of stupidity/defiance/entitlement, Carter's agent has announced that his client will now only speak to teams drafting in the top 10.

But yeah, Suh and Carter...pretty much the same guy. Carter would probably stomp on quarterbacks after the whistle too if he ever actually got near a QB more than once in a blue moon.

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The Lions want to rid the roster of Quinn whiff Jeff Okudah ASAP, and have only one CB under contract beyond '23. Corner is definitely still a need.
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  • Van Ness isn't a bendy EDGE type; he's a raw, bull-rushing LDE/DT. The Lions just spent a '22 2nd-rounder on LDE/DT Josh Paschal and recently resigned his capable backup LDE/DT John Cominsky.
  • Can't see WAS investing #16 in Hooker. With new ownership on the horizon, Mayhew/Rivera are drafting for their jobs. They can't afford a prospect who needs a RS season.
  • The last thing the Giants need is another smallish slot WR. If they trade up, it's more likely to be for a falling Quentin Johnston or a CB.
  • Drafting Bijan wouldn't be classic Jerry Jones. Making a move for Jalen Carter would be classic Jerry Jones.
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1 years 8 month(s) ago

I think being a max effort/self starter/team first player is baked into what Holmes/Campbell are looking for when they say "kneecap biters". Carter is the total opposite of all that.

Passing up Will Anderson to trade down and overdraft Nolan Smith is something the Cardinals would totally do.

Excellent mock.

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Excellent stuff.

I know that mocking a WR to the Patriot is icky, but I like the Johnston/Patriots fit. Johnston is a solid value at #14, IMO, and offers the skill set to be a better version of what NE hoped DeVante Parker would be. Bonus: The Pats could cut Parker and free up over $6 mil with zero dead money.

I'm guessing the Pats also draft a slot WR in the 3rd/4th round. I could see Tyler Scott being a name they have circled on their draft board.

If you want a laugh, check out Bucky Brooks' new mock. He has the Jets selecting O. Torrence at #13. Horrendous value and even more horrendous fit as a G in NY's ZBS. Mind-blowing.

The arrow is definitely pointing down with the Titans, but don't sleep on the Rams to bat leadoff in the '24 Draft. Save for Stafford (one bad hit from retirement), Kupp, and Donald, that depth chart is a horror show.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@NoHeroes94 

Unfortunately, I think you could be right about the Jets not going O-line on Day One. It would be foolish to assume anything beyond one season from Rodgers, meaning the pick at #13 would ideally be a player ready to jump into the lineup and make an immediate impact.

I also agree on the NYJ/Brian Branch fit. The Jets need a Jalen Pitre-type NB/FS. While not an elite athlete, Branch is undoubtedly one of the first prospects that comes to mind when you're talking about "most pro-ready".

As a Jets fan, I don't like the all-in move for Rodgers. I get the importance of a franchise QB, but I'm not sure Rodgers qualifies as such anymore, and his mere presence has already painted us into a corner in terms of what we can and can't do during free agency and the draft. He hasn't even officially signed yet and it's already frustrating.

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Excellent stuff.

I know that mocking a WR to the Patriot is icky, but I like the Johnston/Patriots fit. Johnston is a solid value at #14, IMO, and offers the skill set to be a better version of what NE hoped DeVante Parker would be. Bonus: The Pats could cut Parker and free up over $6 mil with zero dead money.

I'm guessing the Pats also draft a slot WR in the 3rd/4th round. I could see Tyler Scott being a name they have circled on their draft board.

If you want a laugh, check out Bucky Brooks' new mock. He has the Jets selecting O. Torrence at #13. Horrendous value and even more horrendous fit as a G in NY's ZBS. Mind-blowing.

The arrow is definitely pointing down with the Titans, but don't sleep on the Rams to bat leadoff in the '24 Draft. Save for Stafford (one bad hit from retirement), Kupp, and Donald, that depth chart is a horror show.

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Excellent stuff.

I know that mocking a WR to the Patriot is icky, but I like the Johnston/Patriots fit. Johnston is a solid value at #14, IMO, and offers the skill set to be a better version of what NE hoped DeVante Parker would be. Bonus: The Pats could cut Parker and free up over $6 mil with zero dead money.

I'm guessing the Pats also draft a slot WR in the 3rd/4th round. I could see Tyler Scott being a name they have circled on their draft board.

If you want a laugh, check out Bucky Brooks' new mock. He has the Jets selecting O. Torrence at #13. Horrendous value and even more horrendous fit as a G in NY's ZBS. Mind-blowing.

The arrow is definitely pointing down with the Titans, but don't sleep on the Rams to bat leadoff in the '24 Draft. Save for Stafford (one bad hit from retirement), Kupp, and Donald, that depth chart is a horror show.

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NoHeroes94 9 Posts (6 )
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@Mr. Bitter I'm not a professional writer or anything but if the Jets draft a non-ZBS guard at 13 with Laken Tomlinson and AVT that's an D-/F grade. I quite like Torrence as a 20-32 region guard who's a great blocker, but the fit makes no sense. I guess their idea was to move to AVT to RT?

It's probably the most likely given Joe Douglas and Brown's age, but I wouldn't be shocked if they don't draft OL in R1. They may hope that Becton "pulls a Bolles" and balls out in a contract year and Duane Brown is still a pretty decent pass blocker. Who knows. Brian Branch feels like a quality option for them if Skoronski/Johnson Jr. are gone, but I imagine they'd want to trade down a few first. 

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Thanks for the shout!

Did you match BAL/Addison before or after the Agholor signing? Just curious. Kinda similar skill sets.

Hyatt could be a monster in KC's offense. Love that fit. I still think they go OT though. Mahomes is the franchise. Gotta keep his protection air tight.

I thought about LB for BUF. Sanders' tweener profile has me thinking he'd be a better fit in blitzing hybrid scheme like what Brian Flores runs. Honestly, I'm surprised the Bills haven't signed Bobby Wagner yet.

I doubt SEA would pass up Levis at #5, or will have Carter on their board. But I could be wrong.

You've got me seriously rethinking GB/Musgrave. You're right - Darnell Washington is a perfect fit. They wanna pound the rock. He even satisfies Gutekunst's RAS requirements and affinity for Georgia Bulldogs. I'm going to need to do some tinkering.

Excellent mock as usual.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Thanks for the shout!

Did you match BAL/Addison before or after the Agholor signing? Just curious. Kinda similar skill sets.

Hyatt could be a monster in KC's offense. Love that fit. I still think they go OT though. Mahomes is the franchise. Gotta keep his protection air tight.

I thought about LB for BUF. Sanders' tweener profile has me thinking he'd be a better fit in blitzing hybrid scheme like what Brian Flores runs. Honestly, I'm surprised the Bills haven't signed Bobby Wagner yet.

I doubt SEA would pass up Levis at #5, or will have Carter on their board. But I could be wrong.

You've got me seriously rethinking GB/Musgrave. You're right - Darnell Washington is a perfect fit. They wanna pound the rock. He even satisfies Gutekunst's RAS requirements and affinity for Georgia Bulldogs. I'm going to need to do some tinkering.

Excellent mock as usual.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@The Champ 

I saw that Sanders/Edmunds comp. I'm not sure about that. I get what he's saying - both young and raw coming out. Both tall, excellent blitzing ability. But Sanders has a slighter frame and isn't as fluid as Edmunds. Like Edmunds, Sanders is suspect in coverage too. (Not counting '22, when Edmunds' coverage grade spiked tremendously in his contract year lol.)

Lotta buzz with Harrison right now. I think Wright, Paris Johnson, Broderick Jones, Anton Harrison, and Dawand Jones all go on the 1st Day. Premium position, and there's a pretty healthy gap between those five and the next tier (Duncan, Daniels, Freeland). Beyond that, it's project types. Good chance there won't be a potential starting OT available to KC if they wait to #63.

I can't see BAL trading up. (Only 5 total picks, no 2nd rounder.) Like you said, they'll let the board come to them, see if maybe teams are dumb enough to let Skoronski, Witherspoon/Porter or Bijan falls into their lap. If not, maybe they trade down to a better value range for Addison/Downs/Flowers/Hyatt.

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Thanks for the shout!

Did you match BAL/Addison before or after the Agholor signing? Just curious. Kinda similar skill sets.

Hyatt could be a monster in KC's offense. Love that fit. I still think they go OT though. Mahomes is the franchise. Gotta keep his protection air tight.

I thought about LB for BUF. Sanders' tweener profile has me thinking he'd be a better fit in blitzing hybrid scheme like what Brian Flores runs. Honestly, I'm surprised the Bills haven't signed Bobby Wagner yet.

I doubt SEA would pass up Levis at #5, or will have Carter on their board. But I could be wrong.

You've got me seriously rethinking GB/Musgrave. You're right - Darnell Washington is a perfect fit. They wanna pound the rock. He even satisfies Gutekunst's RAS requirements and affinity for Georgia Bulldogs. I'm going to need to do some tinkering.

Excellent mock as usual.

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@Mr. Bitter I did see that Baltimore signed Agholor.  I see Addison as a guy who can handle a high-volume role.  A guy who can keep you ahead of the chains on 1st down, and move the chains on 3rd down.  An Amon-Ra type, I guess.  The Ravens would probably prefer Johnston, but he is probably not going to last to 22, so maybe they'd trade up for him, who knows, though they often just let a good player fall to them.  

As for the Chiefs, if Wright or Dawand Jones were there at 31, I would have gone with either of them over Hyatt.  As Anton Harrison is adept in pass pro, perhaps he could be a consideration, but I am not sure that he sneaks into the 1st.  I have KC then using its 2nd rounder on a pass rusher (Ojulari), but maybe someone like Jaelyn Duncan could be a consideration if they don't go with a tackle at 31.  I also wouldn't rule out a trade up from 31 to get a tackle they like, perhaps Dawand Jones. 

I like the Sanders fit in Buffalo, and personally think he should go higher, but I'm trying to project picks, that's all.  Lance Zierlein's player comp for Sanders is...Tremaine Edmunds. 

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@42yardline 

Thanks.

You could easily be right about Addison. I just don't think it's an especially impressive WR class and doubt we see more than 3 or 4 (tops) go in the 1st round. Mid-to-late 1st round at that. I'm fairly confident that Johnston (size/true X) and Hyatt (deep speed) will come off the board in the 1st because they offer unique traits, but the rest of the top tier WRs are a jumble of slot-types. Slots aren't hard to find. The order in which they come off the board will depend on the team in need and what they're looking for to complement their current WR room. Addison just isn't as explosive as Flowers, JSN, and Downs, IMO, and seems more likely to slip.

I know the Musgrave pick is risky, but I'm not buying the Kincaid/1st round hype, and Mayer could drop on some boards. Just a hunch/team fit thing. There are always a few picks like that in the 1st round and it felt feasible. DET/Porter and GB/Musgrave are partly my attempt to forecast those inevitable surprise picks. 

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I think you're understating the Jalen Carter situation. There's evidence that he was much more than just "involved" in the incident.

There was damage to the roof of Carter's vehicle likely caused by the pole that was struck by the deceased, which means he was likely in close proximity of the crash.

So he stumbles out of a strip club drunk as a skunk at 2 AM and proceeds to street race in a high traffic area, leading to a fatal crash that he may well have been partially to blame for. Then instead of calling 911 for his dying friend, he flees the scene, not returning until ordered to do so. Then he gives an inaccurate account to authorities.

All this on the heels of being sited twice for excessive speeding in that same area just months before.

Then he shows up to his Pro Day 20 lbs. heavier than at the Combine, sloppily lazes his way through bag drills, gets gassed, then quits. This from a prospect that already had conditioning/self-motivation red flags visible from space and was relatively unproductive in college.

This is the guy at #5 overall?

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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I think you're understating the Jalen Carter situation. There's evidence that he was much more than just "involved" in the incident.

There was damage to the roof of Carter's vehicle likely caused by the pole that was struck by the deceased, which means he was likely in close proximity of the crash.

So he stumbles out of a strip club drunk as a skunk at 2 AM and proceeds to street race in a high traffic area, leading to a fatal crash that he may well have been partially to blame for. Then instead of calling 911 for his dying friend, he flees the scene, not returning until ordered to do so. Then he gives an inaccurate account to authorities.

All this on the heels of being sited twice for excessive speeding in that same area just months before.

Then he shows up to his Pro Day 20 lbs. heavier than at the Combine, sloppily lazes his way through bag drills, gets gassed, then quits. This from a prospect that already had conditioning/self-motivation red flags visible from space and was relatively unproductive in college.

This is the guy at #5 overall?

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@The Champ 

Yeah, I can't see DET drafting Carter. Not at #6 anyway.

I seriously doubt SEA will be interested. They seem to be putting more emphasis on dependable, high-character players judging by their last few free agency periods and last year's draft crop. They also signed two capable DTs in Dre'mont Jones and Jarran Reed, and may still resign Poona Ford. They need a clogger like Mazi Smith, Keeanu Benton, or Cameron Young. Day 2 guys.

I'd bet my pinkie that Carter doesn't go top 10. That Pro Day alone was a stock killer. I mean, it was embarrassing. I don't care how many "sources" insist he's still going top 10. They were also saying Malik Willis was in play at #2 this time last year.

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@The Champ

I've been digging deeper into a lot of these prospects while waiting for the free agency dust to settle.

Carter: Been getting BUST vibes from him long before the crash and Pro Day. Immature. Lousy decision maker. Conditioning/motivation red flags. Mediocre production at a position where scouts like to see great production. He's not a top 10 prospect.

Van Ness: The "J.J. Watt" idea of Van Ness doesn't jive with the tape. Good mover, motor, and strong as an ox, but not a bender. No real pass-rushing plan if he can't simply bull an O-lineman into the backfield. He won't be able to "Hercules" his way into the backfield in the NFL as easily as he did in the BIG 10. There's upside, but not sure about all the top 20 talk.

Smith-Njigba: He's a fine YAC-getting power slot, but he's still a slot. Slots are a dime-a-dozen. Quick as hell, but no second gear. The Rose Bowl performance vs. Utah that his advocates like to lean on came against a battered secondary and without Wilson and Olave in the lineup. His production splits with and without Wilson/Olave in the lineup were unimpressive.

Kancey: I like Kancey. Top 40 is nothing to sneeze at. I just worry about his lack of length and if the way he won in college will translate to the pros. He was just flat-out running around guards and into the backfield at Pitt. Doesn't have the array of moves, strength, or length of Donald. Not really a leverage guy for his height. On tape, often just looks like a huge MLB blitzing up the middle. Rotational piece could be his ceiling, which dings his value.

Torrence: Overrated. Strictly a guard and a sloppy mover in a league where O-line versatility is at a premium and almost everybody is running some variation of the Shanahan/McVay-type ZBS. He's plodding on film, and was plodding at the Senior Bowl and Combine. The NFL is kinda passing by guards like him.

Branch: Again, I like him a lot. Versatility teams want. But he's a safety with mediocre size and athleticism. More Xavier McKinney than Minkah Fitzpatrick. 2nd round.

Harrison: Ungodly length. I think people are down on him because he never emerged as a big sack guy, but I'm not sure if that's what he's designed for. He's more of a Adewale Ogunleye-type 4-3 LDE, which is fine. Would be a great fit in Eberflus' Lovie Smith-inspired scheme.

Adebawore: All-time Combine performance. The kind that demands a spot in the 1st round. Uber athlete with solid tape. Just draft him and find him a role.

Musgrave: Seriously rare mover for his size. Just so much more upside than the smaller and slower Kincaid (almost 24 years old with a back injury).

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I think you're understating the Jalen Carter situation. There's evidence that he was much more than just "involved" in the incident.

There was damage to the roof of Carter's vehicle likely caused by the pole that was struck by the deceased, which means he was likely in close proximity of the crash.

So he stumbles out of a strip club drunk as a skunk at 2 AM and proceeds to street race in a high traffic area, leading to a fatal crash that he may well have been partially to blame for. Then instead of calling 911 for his dying friend, he flees the scene, not returning until ordered to do so. Then he gives an inaccurate account to authorities.

All this on the heels of being sited twice for excessive speeding in that same area just months before.

Then he shows up to his Pro Day 20 lbs. heavier than at the Combine, sloppily lazes his way through bag drills, gets gassed, then quits. This from a prospect that already had conditioning/self-motivation red flags visible from space and was relatively unproductive in college.

This is the guy at #5 overall?

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@Mr. Bitter I have him going 5th in one of my mocks too, and I'll be interested to see what his O/U in betting markets is, especially as draft day approaches.  It doesn't seem likely that he's going to be charged with any felonies, from what I understand, if he's charged with anything at all.  Still, I agree with what you said, that character issues overall are going to be an issue for many teams.  For example, I don't think Detroit would even consider him at 6.  But Seattle is one of those teams that we've seen take chances on high-upside guys with character issues.  If they pass on him, who knows how far he could fall.  Philly loves DL prospects, so would they roll the dice on him a year after getting Jordan Davis, figuring that they have another 1st rounder later?  
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The Jets will probably need to give up their 2nd rounder for Rodgers. Trading up is unlikely.
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Torrence is too sluggish for Seattle's ZBS.

It's doubtful Joey Porter Jr. drops into the 20s.

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PHI is probably out on Bijan Robinson. They resigned Boston Scott and signed Rashaad Penny to replace Miles Sanders to complete their RBBC.
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@The Champ 

I was under the assumption that Darius Slay was being released when I wrote my last comment. You're right - PHI isn't likely to go CB at #10.

I think Skoronski could easily be off the board at 10. Still, I could see PHI take Paris Johnson or even Darnell Wright to replace Seumalo at RG and eventually replace Lane Johnson in a few seasons. O-line is probably the safe bet at #10, whether it's PHI sticking and picking or a team like the Patriots jumping ahead of the line for their preferred OT.

If the Eagles can't bring back CJ Gardner-Johnson, I've gotta think they'll be very interested in Brian Branch. Branch offers a similar skill set to CJGJ and could make an immediate impact - no small factor for a team trying to take advantage of Hurts' rookie contract window. I personally don't like Branch that high, but there's such a dramatic falloff from Branch to the next tier of safety prospects that I wouldn't be surprised if he goes top 15.

Man, I just can't see Smith-Njigba popping off that high. He's always getting tracked from behind on film. Monster short area quicks, but just not seeing the deep speed usually required for a top-10 WR.

Honestly, I don't like any of this year's crop of WRs in the top 15. The more I've studied Quentin Johnston, the more he scares me. He has that gliding, effortless speed kinda like Christian Watson, but he's a certified body catcher. It's concerning.

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PHI is probably out on Bijan Robinson. They resigned Boston Scott and signed Rashaad Penny to replace Miles Sanders to complete their RBBC.
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PHI is probably out on Bijan Robinson. They resigned Boston Scott and signed Rashaad Penny to replace Miles Sanders to complete their RBBC.
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@Mr. Bitter I don't know about that, we're in the prediction business of trying to get picks right, and looking at history is a smart way to go IMO, especially if the same regime is in place.  Yes, Dallas finally took an OL after many years, but you would've lost money for a lot of years if you had picked Dallas to take one for many years, right?  So when a team hasn't taken a CB in the 1st Round in 21 years, and when the team brought back its starting CB duo in free agency, and when this same team has a clear pattern of very often taking OL or DL in the 1st, it's just a case where I think the smart money is on DL or OL.  Or possibly WR, since we have seen them use picks on WR's in the 1st recently with Reagor and Smith.  If they want Smith-Njigba, they'll have to take him at 10, since Tennessee and Houston right behind them could be legitimately interested in him.  And you could argue that both of those clubs could also go OL (especially Tennessee), so if they want to take an OL, they may not be able to trade down, either, especially if it happens to be Skoronski who is on the board, since he would seem to be a good fit at RG to replace Seumalo.  I do question if Philly would go OL at 10 if Skoronski isn't there, since OT may not make sense and since it's clearly way too early for Torrence.  But I guess you could also argue that it might be too early for one of the edge players or a DT...unless Carter is just sitting there for them, and we can't rule that out.  In general, I do agree that they could find themselves in a spot where they'd ideally like to trade down.  
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@The Champ 

Totally agree. I can't believe how many "expert" mocks have the Jets giving up 2 1st-rounders (and sometimes even more) for Rodgers. No way that's happening. At best they'll get something like #43 this year and a '24 2nd-rounder that could become a 1st-rounder if Rodgers fulfills certain requirements.

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PHI is probably out on Bijan Robinson. They resigned Boston Scott and signed Rashaad Penny to replace Miles Sanders to complete their RBBC.
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@The Champ 

I like the Greedy Williams signing. Could be a profitable reclamation project. 

The longer I do this, the less I lean on team draft trends. Good way to get burned. Every year is different and patterns are broken all the time. I remember when everyone was saying the Cowboys won't draft Tyron Smith because DAL NEVER drafts O-linemen in the 1st round. DAL drafted Smith and has drafted O-line 1st round seemingly every other year since. Things change.

Eagles are hard to predict. I still think it's possible Roseman goes CB at 10 if that's the best value. Honestly, I think PHI is in a prime trade down spot. They're just ahead of a cluster of OT-needy teams. I could see them trading down to a better value range for Brian Branch or Smith-Njigba.

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PHI is probably out on Bijan Robinson. They resigned Boston Scott and signed Rashaad Penny to replace Miles Sanders to complete their RBBC.
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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
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@Mr. Bitter  I agree with that.  I would also add that I'm going to have to go away from mocking a CB to them at 10, or even at 30.  They've gone from the possibility of losing both Slay and Bradberry to keeping them both, plus they also signed Greedy Williams.  And as Jordan Reid pointed out on Twitter, the Eagles haven't drafted a CB in the 1st Round since 2002 (Lito Sheppard).  The odds appear very strongly that Philly will go OL or DL at 10, unless they absolutely fall in love with one of the WR's, I suppose. 
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@JRA Football 

A few JAX beat writers have recently reported that the Jags are prioritizing an extension for Engram. Could easily be speculation disguised as reporting, but just wanted to let you guys know if you weren't already aware.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Chef's kiss for this mock. Freakin excellent.

I think the Jags could prefer Meyer to Kincaid if they go TE in the 1st round, even if Engram is only around another few seasons. JAX needs more size/physicality in general at receiver. Kincaid will be a 24 year old rookie and seems a bit redundant as long as Engram is around. A pure Y-TE to complement Engram and diversify the offense seems a neater fit.

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JRA Football 4 Posts (1 )
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@Mr. Bitter Great feedback and you make a good point about Jacksonville possibly looking at a more complementary piece to Engram, as opposed to a long-term replacement. Definitely something I will consider in future mocks. Appreciate it!
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Chef's kiss for this mock. Freakin excellent.

I think the Jags could prefer Meyer to Kincaid if they go TE in the 1st round, even if Engram is only around another few seasons. JAX needs more size/physicality in general at receiver. Kincaid will be a 24 year old rookie and seems a bit redundant as long as Engram is around. A pure Y-TE to complement Engram and diversify the offense seems a neater fit.

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@The Champ 

I just replied to your comment about Dawand Jones in Walt's mock. I mentioned that the floor for Jones is CIN at 28. Then I see this. At this point I'm almost afraid to publish my mock for fear of it reading like a copy of yours lol.

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Houston has to come out of the first round with a QB. Can't see them trading down with a divisional rival, if at all.

At this point, it's questionable whether Jalen Carter will even be drafted, let alone third overall. That situation is serious.

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Houston has to come out of the first round with a QB. Can't see them trading down with a divisional rival, if at all.

At this point, it's questionable whether Jalen Carter will even be drafted, let alone third overall. That situation is serious.

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@Neb Reywas 

I'm not sure Bryce Young will be great either, but he could be. As could Stroud, Richardson and Levis. There's franchise QB potential available at #2. Davis Mills isn't a viable NFL starter, let alone a potential franchise QB. 

Evidence in the Carter case points to vehicular manslaughter charges in the near future, and now there are videos out showing GA police ticketing Carter for speeding/reckless driving just weeks before the accident. There's a pattern with Carter and he could easily be looking at prison time. No way any team is touching him right now.

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Houston has to come out of the first round with a QB. Can't see them trading down with a divisional rival, if at all.

At this point, it's questionable whether Jalen Carter will even be drafted, let alone third overall. That situation is serious.

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The Champ 80 Posts (19 )
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@Mr. Bitter Yep.  I moved Carter down already but still in the top 10, and I think I'm going to have to drop him even further than that, at least for now.  Also agree that Houston is not going to trade with Indy if a possible franchise QB is involved.  And Houston has to take their shot this year, Mills isn't the answer and both Young and Stroud are ready to play and could be stars.  I don't know how you pass on that.  
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Houston has to come out of the first round with a QB. Can't see them trading down with a divisional rival, if at all.

At this point, it's questionable whether Jalen Carter will even be drafted, let alone third overall. That situation is serious.

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@Mr. Bitter Houston could sign a FA QB  They already have a young QB.  Their roster is a disater and ransoming Indy isnt a bad bet.  They stink too.  I dont think Young will be great.  I felt the same about T. Hill as Carter.  A year later a team gave the Chiefs 4 picks and Hill 130 million dollars.  It was gross
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Kudos on the Texans drafting BPA at #2 then trading up from #12 for a QB. Very real possibility that people aren't talking about enough.
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Great mock. Only nitpick is the rationale behind ARI/Carter at #3.

Although I personally think Carter has high bust potential and will ultimately be selected in the 5 to 10 range, I don't think #3 is a stretch considering his upside. (And God knows the Cardinals traditionally go for upside/boom or bust 1st rounders.) My issue is with siting the relative depth of the EDGE and DT draft classes as a sort of tie-breaker between Carter and Will Anderson.

While you're absolutely right about there being a deeper pool of potential impact EDGE prospects than DT prospects in this draft, it's also true that it should be infinitely easier for ARI to address DT prior to the draft with so many quality FA DTs set to hit the open market. (There are already rumblings that Javon Hargrave or Cox could follow Gannon to ARI.) There will be lots of non-draft DT options, whereas the FA EDGE class is barren.

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If the Lions actually pulled off this haul they could be serious NFC contenders.
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If the Lions actually pulled off this haul they could be serious NFC contenders.
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@Mr. Bitter 

I like the Lions too. I just like Cam Smith over Witherspoon.

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If C.J. Stroud is on the board for Seattle why wouldn't they just draft him for themselves?
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@Mr. Bitter I think they believe they're fine with Geno and want to upgrade on defense. Me personally, I probably would take him.
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If C.J. Stroud is on the board for Seattle why wouldn't they just draft him for themselves?
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@The Champ 

I wouldn't put too much stock into the Porter/Pittsburgh legacy thing. If he's the best player on PIT's board, then sure, but I don't think it will be a determining factor.

I freakin' love Witherspoon. He's my personal CB1, but I'm taking a tempered approach when slotting him in my mock for now. Phenomenal '22 season, but the facts remain that he was a one-year wonder and may not be the biggest or most athletic guy. Curious to see how that goes at the Combine.

Not a huge Bresee fan. Day 2 guy for me. But there's upside, and after a small handful of studs at the top of the 1st round there's like 30 guys who would be 2nd RD grades in less weak drafts, so who knows. There will be a ton of team draft board variation.

I noticed you haven't slotted Calijah Kancey yet. Not a big fan?

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Very nice. You know what these teams need and it's hard to argue with most of your prospect/value range matches.

My only prospect/value range arguments would be O. Torrence at 17, AR-15 outside the top 15 and Hooker anywhere near the 1st round, but I see the logic with those picks and they aren't unrealistic.

WAS is going run-heavy next season and Torrence is the ideal road-grading RG. Just wonder if WAS would pass on a stud CB like Witherspoon or JPJ when somebody like Steve Avila or even Torrence could be there for them in the 2nd round.

I'm convinced that Richardson will go near the top of the draft. I know he's unproven, but so was Trey Lance and SF gave up three firsts to take him in the top 3. QBs with elite tools don't last long no matter the risk.

I'm intrigued by Hooker, but he's still recovering from injury and will likely already be 26 by the time he sees his first NFL action. And that Tennessee scheme is so QB-friendly. Still, if the Saints don't sign Carr, a reach for Hooker may be their only option by draft day.

Love MIN/Ringo. Perfect huge man coverage corner for Flores' blitzing scheme. I see a lot of mocks with Ringo lasting to the 2nd round. Don't see that happening.

Also love GB/B. Jones. Packers love to groom high upside guys for the trenches.

Nit picks:

TB/Kincaid  The Bucs like Cade Otton and have bigger fish to fry.

JAX/Van Ness  They're talking about moving Travon Walker closer to the line on passing downs even more often next season, so he'd already be the Van Ness type on that front. They'll need more of 3-4 OLB type situational EDGE to potentially replace FA Arden Key on those downs. Will McDonald IV, Nolan Smith or B.J. Ojulari might make more sense. Trade down perhaps?

DET/Murphy  They just drafted Josh Paschal in the 2nd RD to be that LDE/5T type. I think DET would take Gonzalez over any non-Will Anderson EDGE at 6. I could be wrong though.

KC/Duncan  This is more of a prospect preference thing. Just think KC would be all over Darnell Wright in your scenario. I just see Duncan as more of a Day 2 project/tackle to guard convert.

Lastly, I'm thinking SEA drafts any one of the top 4 QBs at #5 over any defender outside of Anderson or Carter. Just a hunch.

Overall, awesome. Give us a Round 2!

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Not a Pats fan (just the opposite - Jets fan), but unless you anticipate NE addressing OT in free agency, I think you're underestimating that need in this mock.

Trent Brown was benched last year and is on thin ice. I think we could see NE trade up to the 8 to 10 range ahead of OT-needy TEN and NYJ for their pick of the OT litter.

Just out of curiosity - why do you think the value isn't there for a tackle at #14, but have Tyler Steen - who Bill O'Brien coached and raved about at Alabama - selected with the very next pick? Personally, I think Charlie and Walt are getting carried away with Steen and he's more of a Day 2 value, but if he does end up being a surprise 1st round pick, the Pats are one of the few teams I can see picking him, given their history of against-the-grain 1st round O-line picks and O'Brien's familiarity with Steen.

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1 years 10 month(s) ago

Not a Pats fan (just the opposite - Jets fan), but unless you anticipate NE addressing OT in free agency, I think you're underestimating that need in this mock.

Trent Brown was benched last year and is on thin ice. I think we could see NE trade up to the 8 to 10 range ahead of OT-needy TEN and NYJ for their pick of the OT litter.

Just out of curiosity - why do you think the value isn't there for a tackle at #14, but have Tyler Steen - who Bill O'Brien coached and raved about at Alabama - selected with the very next pick? Personally, I think Charlie and Walt are getting carried away with Steen and he's more of a Day 2 value, but if he does end up being a surprise 1st round pick, the Pats are one of the few teams I can see picking him, given their history of against-the-grain 1st round O-line picks and O'Brien's familiarity with Steen.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago - hide

Not a Pats fan (just the opposite - Jets fan), but unless you anticipate NE addressing OT in free agency, I think you're underestimating that need in this mock.

Trent Brown was benched last year and is on thin ice. I think we could see NE trade up to the 8 to 10 range ahead of OT-needy TEN and NYJ for their pick of the OT litter.

Just out of curiosity - why do you think the value isn't there for a tackle at #14, but have Tyler Steen - who Bill O'Brien coached and raved about at Alabama - selected with the very next pick? Personally, I think Charlie and Walt are getting carried away with Steen and he's more of a Day 2 value, but if he does end up being a surprise 1st round pick, the Pats are one of the few teams I can see picking him, given their history of against-the-grain 1st round O-line picks and O'Brien's familiarity with Steen.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

@jvkeb 

BTW, I'm totally with you on drafting DTs super high. If you're going to make a top 10 investment in a DT, they better have been crazy productive in college. Teams want to see more than just upside before burning a premium pick on a DT. That's why I'm not buying all the Jalen Carter #1 overall nonsense. History says he'll be lucky to go top 5.

Recent elite DT prospects that went top 10 and their final college season stats:

Derrick Brown 2020 #7  11.5 TFL/4 sacks

Quinnen Williams 2019 #3  19.5 TFL/8 sacks

Ed Oliver 2019 #9  22 TFL/ 5 sacks

Aaron Donald 2014 #13*  28.5 TFL/11 sacks (!!!)

Marcell Dareus 2011 #3  24 TFL/11.5 sacks

Ndamukong Suh 2010 #2  20,5 TFL/12 sacks

Gerald McCoy 2010 #3  15.5 TFL/6 sacks

* - Donald would have easily been top 10 if not for size concerns.

No DT without at least one college season of 10.5+ TFL has been drafted in the top 10 since the NCAA began keeping track of the stat around 2005.

Jalen Carter: 2021 8.5 TFL/3 sacks, 2022 7 TFL/3 sacks

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago - hide

Not a Pats fan (just the opposite - Jets fan), but unless you anticipate NE addressing OT in free agency, I think you're underestimating that need in this mock.

Trent Brown was benched last year and is on thin ice. I think we could see NE trade up to the 8 to 10 range ahead of OT-needy TEN and NYJ for their pick of the OT litter.

Just out of curiosity - why do you think the value isn't there for a tackle at #14, but have Tyler Steen - who Bill O'Brien coached and raved about at Alabama - selected with the very next pick? Personally, I think Charlie and Walt are getting carried away with Steen and he's more of a Day 2 value, but if he does end up being a surprise 1st round pick, the Pats are one of the few teams I can see picking him, given their history of against-the-grain 1st round O-line picks and O'Brien's familiarity with Steen.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

@jvkeb 

The Pats are hard to figure on draft day. We can say that they won't want to overdraft another O-lineman, but I honestly don't think they consider it a reach when they draft somebody like Cole Strange in the 1st because they've been making similarly off-script picks consistently and for a long time. (Going all the way back to Mankins.) Their draft board just seems more scheme-specific than other teams.

Yeah, the OT prospect rankings are up in the air right now. I think as many as 5 different OTs could be OT1 on team's draft boards depending on size thresholds, schematic fit, etc. Some teams may see Skoronski (T-Rex arms) strictly as a G, for instance. Hopefully the Combine will offer some clarity.

One thing I've noticed about NE when they acquire OTs: They like them massive. (Vollmer, Solder, Trent Brown, etc.) Isaiah Wynn was an outlier and hasn't worked out in NE, so I'm wondering if the Pats could be spooked by Skoronski's smallish frame and instead fall in love with a giant like Dawand Jones.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago - hide

Not a Pats fan (just the opposite - Jets fan), but unless you anticipate NE addressing OT in free agency, I think you're underestimating that need in this mock.

Trent Brown was benched last year and is on thin ice. I think we could see NE trade up to the 8 to 10 range ahead of OT-needy TEN and NYJ for their pick of the OT litter.

Just out of curiosity - why do you think the value isn't there for a tackle at #14, but have Tyler Steen - who Bill O'Brien coached and raved about at Alabama - selected with the very next pick? Personally, I think Charlie and Walt are getting carried away with Steen and he's more of a Day 2 value, but if he does end up being a surprise 1st round pick, the Pats are one of the few teams I can see picking him, given their history of against-the-grain 1st round O-line picks and O'Brien's familiarity with Steen.

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jvkeb 3 Posts (1 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter I feel the same way about possibly trading up. Could see Skoronski in a more rush-focused offense with Stevenson if we don't add meaningful receivers. I think the OTs, especially  after Skoronski and Paris Johnson, will fluctuate all over the place. I think you could get someone in the second round who is around the same skill as Steen, while getting more of an impact player in the first. A big plus for him though like you mentioned is he started at LT for Alabama.

I don't think the Pats will want to overdraft on offensive line like they did with Cole Strange. Strange could end up a great player, but is incredibly raw. He said he never played games with gloves on, but I noticed him wearing them towards the end of the season - it got cold and it's probably hard to block the defense with no hand protection/grip. I think O'Brien needs to gain some more clout (he's coached there before but left for a while) before the Pats give him a first round selection.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

@WFDevTeam 

I'm torn on PHI/Bijan. Intriguing idea, but doesn't feel like what PHI would do. RBBC is obviously working for them and Gainwell and Scott are perfect as RB2 and RB3. Gainwell is a top-tier pass-catching back, and that's much of the appeal of Robinson. We'll see what they do with Sanders. Even if Sanders walks, reinforcing the trenches on Day 1 and snagging a Day 2 RB like Charbonnet or Roschon Johnson seems more like the PHI move.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

Man, this mock is so clean and concise. Rare for someone to be so knowledgeable about every team's needs/prospect "types". 

Love the Branch/DET and Hyatt/DAL picks. Perfect matches. So many see T. Walker and K. Joseph on DET's safety depth chart and immediately disqualify Branch as an option without realizing that Holmes would be drafting Branch for that Malcolm Jenkins-type versatile slot role.

Not a fan of Torrence, JS-N, Addison and Foskey in the 1st RD (especially Foskey), but that's just nit-picking.

Not only is #24 not too early for Dawand Jones, it may be too late for him. Serious upside. He could easily rise. Just not sure about Jones/JAX with the recent reports that JAX will probably keep Jawaan Taylor. We'll see what happens.

Overall, excellent. Looking forward to updates.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

Can a Buddhist even play football given the violence? I need to look into this...

A few thoughts on your mock:

  • You need to shoehorn Anthony Richardson into the top 20, perhaps higher. The guy is unproven, but he's also a tool shed. Some QB-desperate team will bite early.
  • I agree that the Pats could be looking to trade up, but not for a WR. (Also agree that Quentin Johnston is a stud worthy of trading up for, but trading a 2nd rounder for a proven X-WR like DeAndre Hopkins or Mike Evans seems more NE's style.) I think the Pats could trade up into the 8 to 10 range to ensure getting one of Paris Johnson, Broderick Jones or Skoronski. Trent Brown looks cooked and could be a cap casualty, so unless the Pats sign a FA like Orlando Brown, they could have zero viable OTs on a team with an immobile QB come draft day. Could be a desperate situation.
  • I like that you touched on the possibility that GB and TB may just want to blow it up this offseason. Not enough mock drafts take into account how close both teams might be to a rebuild. Not sure about the TB/Van Ness pick, though. Similar skill set to Logan Hall. Seems redundant.
  • Not sure about BAL/Mazi Smith. The BAL run defense is solid. Mazi is a pure NT and the Ravens just invested a 2nd Day pick on NT Travis Jones. BAL will probably do what they always do; let teams above them overthink things and wait for a prospect like Skoronski, Bijan Robinson or Devon Witherspoon to fall into their lap.

I like this mock overall. Well thought out and entertaining. Looking forward to your updates.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago

Can a Buddhist even play football given the violence? I need to look into this...

A few thoughts on your mock:

  • You need to shoehorn Anthony Richardson into the top 20, perhaps higher. The guy is unproven, but he's also a tool shed. Some QB-desperate team will bite early.
  • I agree that the Pats could be looking to trade up, but not for a WR. (Also agree that Quentin Johnston is a stud worthy of trading up for, but trading a 2nd rounder for a proven X-WR like DeAndre Hopkins or Mike Evans seems more NE's style.) I think the Pats could trade up into the 8 to 10 range to ensure getting one of Paris Johnson, Broderick Jones or Skoronski. Trent Brown looks cooked and could be a cap casualty, so unless the Pats sign a FA like Orlando Brown, they could have zero viable OTs on a team with an immobile QB come draft day. Could be a desperate situation.
  • I like that you touched on the possibility that GB and TB may just want to blow it up this offseason. Not enough mock drafts take into account how close both teams might be to a rebuild. Not sure about the TB/Van Ness pick, though. Similar skill set to Logan Hall. Seems redundant.
  • Not sure about BAL/Mazi Smith. The BAL run defense is solid. Mazi is a pure NT and the Ravens just invested a 2nd Day pick on NT Travis Jones. BAL will probably do what they always do; let teams above them overthink things and wait for a prospect like Skoronski, Bijan Robinson or Devon Witherspoon to fall into their lap.

I like this mock overall. Well thought out and entertaining. Looking forward to your updates.



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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago
I like that you're not afraid of naming names and doling out some harsh criticism in your mock, but the anti-religious knock on Derek Carr kinda comes out of left field and seems motivated by personal issues with religion you might have. I wouldn't say certified Jesus Freaks like Reggie White, Ray Lewis and Kurt Warner weren't "mentally strong". I mean, half the post game interviews with NFL players begin with, "I'd like to start by thanking God"; I doubt non-believing teammates are losing much sleep over it.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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I like that you're not afraid of naming names and doling out some harsh criticism in your mock, but the anti-religious knock on Derek Carr kinda comes out of left field and seems motivated by personal issues with religion you might have. I wouldn't say certified Jesus Freaks like Reggie White, Ray Lewis and Kurt Warner weren't "mentally strong". I mean, half the post game interviews with NFL players begin with, "I'd like to start by thanking God"; I doubt non-believing teammates are losing much sleep over it.
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jvkeb 3 Posts (1 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter you're right I was just messing around. I have no problem with anyones religion - just religious values always being pushed into audience's face. If he was Muslim or Buddhist or whatever he'd be looked at like he had 3 heads.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 10 month(s) ago
I like that you're not afraid of naming names and doling out some harsh criticism in your mock, but the anti-religious knock on Derek Carr kinda comes out of left field and seems motivated by personal issues with religion you might have. I wouldn't say certified Jesus Freaks like Reggie White, Ray Lewis and Kurt Warner weren't "mentally strong". I mean, half the post game interviews with NFL players begin with, "I'd like to start by thanking God"; I doubt non-believing teammates are losing much sleep over it.


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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 11 month(s) ago

Notes:

  • Love the CHI/TEN trade. CHI needs bodies. New TEN GM Ran Carthon helped orchestrate the massive trade up for Trey Lance, and judging by Mike Vrabel's visible frustration with his QBs this season, I think Vrabel would be on board for a similar bold move.
  • Not sure if DET is quite ready for luxury picks. There are still a lot of needs on defense. They love Jamaal Williams in DET and I'm guessing he's brought back.
  • I'm really not seeing it with Tyler Steen. Solid player, but top-15 OTs usually come with elite traits.
  • WAS/Gonzalez is a tidy fit. Custom-built Ron Rivera boundary corner.
  • Nice mock. Looking forward to more.


https://debacled.walterfootball.com/readermocks/publishedmock/57
Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
1 years 11 month(s) ago

Notes:

  • Love the CHI/TEN trade. CHI needs bodies. New TEN GM Ran Carthon helped orchestrate the massive trade up for Trey Lance, and judging by Mike Vrabel's visible frustration with his QBs this season, I think Vrabel would be on board for a similar bold move.
  • Not sure if DET is quite ready for luxury picks. There are still a lot of needs on defense. They love Jamaal Williams in DET and I'm guessing he's brought back.
  • I'm really not seeing it with Tyler Steen. Solid player, but top-15 OTs usually come with elite traits.
  • WAS/Gonzalez is a tidy fit. Custom-built Ron Rivera boundary corner.
  • Nice mock. Looking forward to more.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago - hide
Man, you guys just don't like Joe Burrow, do you? Probable Heisman winner, NCAA single-season accuracy record, SEC single-season yards and TD records, and a dominant win over a quality opponent to cap an undefeated regular season, and what does he get in your game recap? Nitpicks, Andy Dalton comps, and backhanded complements. ("...distributor of the ball with a loaded offense of playmakers") In your QB Draft Prospects scouting report for Tua Tagovailoa, there's no insinuation that Tua may be a product of a star-studded supporting cast, even though every offensive starter for Bama was a 5-star recruit, save for DeVonta Smith (came in as a 3-star CB), yet in Burrow's scouting report you make it a point to go on about how ultra-talented his O-line, RB and WRs are...which is funny because the only 5-star recruit on the LSU offense is Terrace Marshall, Jr.. Burrow's favorite target (Justin Jefferson) is a slow-footed former 2-star recruit who only received offers from Tulane, Nicholls State and Northwestern before basically walking on at LSU. Clyde Edwards-Helaire was an undersized 3-star recruit. The O-line consists of four 3-star recruits flanking C Lloyd Cushenberry, who was 2-star recruit. Whichever source that told you Burrow is a limited Dalton-clone is a crap source. Sure, he's athletically limited when compared to unicorns like Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen and Kyler Murray, but his athleticism is as good-if-not-better than most NFL starters. (Former all-state PG recruited by major programs.) Most importantly, his accuracy, touch, decision-making and intangibles are elite. You guys have to let go of the "our sources say Burrow is really a 4th-rounder" narrative.
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RampagexKodi 1 Posts (1 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter  Not gonna lie. I’m impressed with the amount of research that went into this analysis. How can anyone not agree with what you say?
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
Man, you guys just don't like Joe Burrow, do you? Probable Heisman winner, NCAA single-season accuracy record, SEC single-season yards and TD records, and a dominant win over a quality opponent to cap an undefeated regular season, and what does he get in your game recap? Nitpicks, Andy Dalton comps, and backhanded complements. ("...distributor of the ball with a loaded offense of playmakers") In your QB Draft Prospects scouting report for Tua Tagovailoa, there's no insinuation that Tua may be a product of a star-studded supporting cast, even though every offensive starter for Bama was a 5-star recruit, save for DeVonta Smith (came in as a 3-star CB), yet in Burrow's scouting report you make it a point to go on about how ultra-talented his O-line, RB and WRs are...which is funny because the only 5-star recruit on the LSU offense is Terrace Marshall, Jr.. Burrow's favorite target (Justin Jefferson) is a slow-footed former 2-star recruit who only received offers from Tulane, Nicholls State and Northwestern before basically walking on at LSU. Clyde Edwards-Helaire was an undersized 3-star recruit. The O-line consists of four 3-star recruits flanking C Lloyd Cushenberry, who was 2-star recruit. Whichever source that told you Burrow is a limited Dalton-clone is a crap source. Sure, he's athletically limited when compared to unicorns like Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen and Kyler Murray, but his athleticism is as good-if-not-better than most NFL starters. (Former all-state PG recruited by major programs.) Most importantly, his accuracy, touch, decision-making and intangibles are elite. You guys have to let go of the "our sources say Burrow is really a 4th-rounder" narrative.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
Not sure if Jeudy is a generational WR prospect. 6-0/190ish, with no TDs in his last 3 games and 7 drops. He's very good, but not a top-5 worthy, Fitz/Julio/Megatron-type prospect IMO. I like Tee Higgins, but I think the Eagles sorely need a burner to take the lid off defenses; Higgins is more of a tall, jump ball/red zone weapon-type. Kind of a poor man's A.J. Green. He could be redundant with similar types like Jeffery and Arcega-Whiteside in PHI. A speedster like Henry Ruggs makes more sense. Love the MIA/Epenesa pick. He's a perfect fit for their scheme. I agree about MIA passing on Herbert and Tua. I think they'll stockpile even more picks to secure Lawrence or Fields in 2021. BTW, how are you accessing the player database? No menu or options appear when I type in the prospect box.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Not sure if Jeudy is a generational WR prospect. 6-0/190ish, with no TDs in his last 3 games and 7 drops. He's very good, but not a top-5 worthy, Fitz/Julio/Megatron-type prospect IMO. I like Tee Higgins, but I think the Eagles sorely need a burner to take the lid off defenses; Higgins is more of a tall, jump ball/red zone weapon-type. Kind of a poor man's A.J. Green. He could be redundant with similar types like Jeffery and Arcega-Whiteside in PHI. A speedster like Henry Ruggs makes more sense. Love the MIA/Epenesa pick. He's a perfect fit for their scheme. I agree about MIA passing on Herbert and Tua. I think they'll stockpile even more picks to secure Lawrence or Fields in 2021. BTW, how are you accessing the player database? No menu or options appear when I type in the prospect box.
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Cap`n Crunch 15 Posts (32 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter also think D. Jackson when healthy still is the burner. A. Jeffrey seems hurt alot. I also think T. Higgins will run faster than many will think. We`ll see at the combine and the WR class will be very fluid.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Not sure if Jeudy is a generational WR prospect. 6-0/190ish, with no TDs in his last 3 games and 7 drops. He's very good, but not a top-5 worthy, Fitz/Julio/Megatron-type prospect IMO. I like Tee Higgins, but I think the Eagles sorely need a burner to take the lid off defenses; Higgins is more of a tall, jump ball/red zone weapon-type. Kind of a poor man's A.J. Green. He could be redundant with similar types like Jeffery and Arcega-Whiteside in PHI. A speedster like Henry Ruggs makes more sense. Love the MIA/Epenesa pick. He's a perfect fit for their scheme. I agree about MIA passing on Herbert and Tua. I think they'll stockpile even more picks to secure Lawrence or Fields in 2021. BTW, how are you accessing the player database? No menu or options appear when I type in the prospect box.
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Cap`n Crunch 15 Posts (32 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Mr. Bitter I use edge as the browser.Chrome has issues with the draft builder I think J. Jeudy is a top talent.. reminds me of D. Hopkins.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
It seems like you're suggesting that Burrow is a 2nd round value that is only going #1 because his stock is inflated by positional value and the desperation of QB-needy teams. That's just wrong. Burrow would be the pick even if Tua wasn't injured.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Seahawksince78 The decision to throw the ball on 2nd-and-goal at the 1 yard line instead of feeding Lynch had more to do with preventing a Seattle dynasty than the Patriots, IMO. Seattle pissed away a second trophy with that call, and considering the lingering lockerroom division it caused, it may have cost them even more.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Walt Why do you assume that SEA won't be able to run the ball against the Rams? In Seattle's last 4 games, they have faced 4 of the top 13 ranked rushing defenses per Football Outsiders DVOA stats. (#1 TB 76.2 RYds/G, #13 SF 116.67 RYds/G, #4 PHI 91.0 RYd/G and MIN #9 104.5 RYd/G) Against the top-ranked TB run D, SEA gained 145 Yds (6.6 YPC). SF? 147 Yds (4.4 YPC). PHI? 174 Yds (6.7 YPC). MIN? 218 Yds (5.1 YPC). SEA can run on anybody and with Rashaad Penny finally emerging the ground attack is peaking.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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@Mr. Bitter  I am a Seahawks fan, and I’ve watched this team closely over the years. This is just what they do. EVERY FRIGGING YEAR they look like trash for the first half. Like the first 4 games of the season is some sort of extended preseason. But come December/January, they become one of the scariest teams in football to play against. It’s a good thing the NFL doesn’t have a playoff, because this team would lose on style points every week. But a win is a win and 10-2 is 10-2. Good, bad or indifferent. Seattle always reminds me of a great college team favored to win that you’ve got on their heels. But by the end of it, you ask yourself how did they come back and get the win at the last second.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Walt Never assume that Le'Veon Bell will have a huge performance as long as Adam Gase is coach of the Jets. MIA has a crappy run defense, but the CIN run defense is even worse, yet Gase found a way to marginalize Bell against the Bengals just as he has done every other game this season. Gase has been abysmal in NY and will probably get outcoached by Flores yet again.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Treeman Yowza. Apparently OSU is superior to Penn State in more ways than one.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago - hide
Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Moderated 3 Actually, I take that back...the Seahawks ARE pretty amazing. Think about the level of talent that roster has leaked over the last few years; Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor, Baldwin, Okung, Lynch, Unger, Bennett...yet they keep winning 10 games every season. They've successfully executed a rebuild on the fly around Russell Wilson. That speaks to their organizational stability and the excellence of their scouting department and coaching staff. Carroll/Wilson have a poor man's Belichick/Brady thing going on. As with NE, doubt SEA at your own peril.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Moderated 3 The Seahawks aren't my team and I don't think they're amazing. I just don't think they're overrated.
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Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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@Mr. Bitter  Seahawks hold the trophy for the most delusional fan base in sports. If your team was nearly as amazing as you think it is, the margin of their 9wins wouldn't be 4.5 points. Also, you're all over Walt for woulda/coulda but your team got their ass handed to it at home, twice. 10 Barely wins and 2 legit losses = over rated. One ring dynasty. Forever 1-2's
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 0 month(s) ago
@Throbber Hicks is only practicing. He isn't eligible to return until Week 15 @ GB.
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Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@DangeRuss And if we want to play Walt's woulda/coulda/shoulda game, then SEA shoulda won that Saints game. They outgained the Saints by 249 yards and had 11 more 1st downs. They lost because of that fluky Vonn Bell defensive TD. Opposing defenses have scored six TDs vs. SEA - many of the fluky variety (see last night's tipped pick-six). All those Carson lost fumbles, key injuries...it's not as if SEA has been catching all the breaks this season. I mean, D.K. Metcalf's fumbles and drops alone contributed heavily to the BAL loss and made the PHI and SF wins closer than they should have been. I get that Walt wants to be thorough in his analysis and ahead of the curve on overvalued/undervalued teams, but when he latches on to certain narratives ("Seahawks are overrated"), his analysis sometimes gets reachy and contradictive. (i.e., poo pooing SEA wins over CIN and PIT, but proclaiming CIN and PIT underrated a paragraph later.) At this point, I think we all have to concede the fact that SEA, however imperfect, is a tough, well-coached teamed that is gelling at the right time and finds a way to win close ones...the type of team that is usually dangerous in the playoffs.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Seattle isn't overrated. Most of their wins haven't been pretty, but keep in mind that they have the 4th-youngest roster in the NFL and a lot of new components that are still being folded into the mix. If anything, they are a battle-hardened team that hasn't peaked.
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@Mr. Bitter  I know right? Hawks are 10-2, currently sitting as the 2 seed in the NFC with their only losses being to the 1 seed of each conference. They manage to raise and lower their game to each opponent so they don’t look GREAT but for the most part, they find themselves on the right side of the scoreboard at the end of the day
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Chase Young, Andrew Thomas and Jerry Jeudy are discussed in the Giants writeup, but in the Bengals writeup, it's "...are expected to take future franchise QB of their choice" and "...if their new QB hits the ground running", without mentioning any QB in particular. Charlie's contempt for Joe Burrow has officially reached the HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED phase.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Gambler It's Ryan Tannehill. Regression is coming.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Bonesman Two ginger QBs. Anything can happen.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Jerry Jeudy is an excellent prospect, but comparisons to Julio Jones and scouting reports that describe him as an "athletic freak" are off base. Coming out of Alabama, Jones was 6-3/220 with a 4.39 forty and SPARQ score in the 90th percentile. Jeudy is 6-1/192 and his forty times have been in the 4.5-4.6 range. He ran a 4.55 during his mediocre SPARQ testing (65th percentile). Jones is also much stronger than Jeudy, with better vertical skills. Kevin White is probably the closest thing we've seen to Julio if we're talking about athletic profiles. About the only thing Jeudy has in common with Jones is a penchant for drops, and as a pure prospect he's much closer to Calvin Ridley than Jones. (Although Ridley has better speed.) Honestly, it wouldn't be surprising to see CeeDee Lamb come off the board before Jeudy.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Jerry Jeudy is an excellent prospect, but comparisons to Julio Jones and scouting reports that describe him as an "athletic freak" are off base. Coming out of Alabama, Jones was 6-3/220 with a 4.39 forty and SPARQ score in the 90th percentile. Jeudy is 6-1/192 and his forty times have been in the 4.5-4.6 range. He ran a 4.55 during his mediocre SPARQ testing (65th percentile). Jones is also much stronger than Jeudy, with better vertical skills. Kevin White is probably the closest thing we've seen to Julio if we're talking about athletic profiles. About the only thing Jeudy has in common with Jones is a penchant for drops, and as a pure prospect he's much closer to Calvin Ridley than Jones. (Although Ridley has better speed.) Honestly, it wouldn't be surprising to see CeeDee Lamb come off the board before Jeudy.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Golladay19 Jeudy is incredibly smooth and undoubtedly a better route-runner than Lamb, but Lamb is much more physical, better in contested-catch situations and has stickier hands. Both are thin and need to fill out, but Lamb offers the better frame to do so. Combine/workout results will be crucial for Jeudy. If he doesn't test as well as many assume he will based on the current, misinformed "Jeudy is an athletic freak" narrative, it's possible that a team in need of a physical presence at WR (ARI, for example) could have Lamb higher on their board. I agree with you that it's unlikely; most teams will probably prefer Jeudy and he likely comes off the board before Lamb, but a mini-tumble down draft boards is possible too. It wasn't uncommon to see Ridley in the top 10 of mock drafts early in the '18 pre-draft process before he ultimately tumbled to #26, and I just don't see that much difference between Ridley and Jeudy as prospects. Same size, smooth with great body control and route-running, inconsistent hands, similar speed.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Jerry Jeudy is an excellent prospect, but comparisons to Julio Jones and scouting reports that describe him as an "athletic freak" are off base. Coming out of Alabama, Jones was 6-3/220 with a 4.39 forty and SPARQ score in the 90th percentile. Jeudy is 6-1/192 and his forty times have been in the 4.5-4.6 range. He ran a 4.55 during his mediocre SPARQ testing (65th percentile). Jones is also much stronger than Jeudy, with better vertical skills. Kevin White is probably the closest thing we've seen to Julio if we're talking about athletic profiles. About the only thing Jeudy has in common with Jones is a penchant for drops, and as a pure prospect he's much closer to Calvin Ridley than Jones. (Although Ridley has better speed.) Honestly, it wouldn't be surprising to see CeeDee Lamb come off the board before Jeudy.
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@Mr. Bitter  I agree with your first point, seeing "height weight speed freak" is pretty weird when he's only about 6'1" 190 lbs, but, as much as I love Lamb, Jeudy is a better prospect. He's faster and the better route-runner, and still has great hands. Ridley is a pretty good comp, but Jeudy is more of Ridley 2.0 imo.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Isaiah Simmons has good coverage skills for his size, but at 6-4 he's already 230 lbs. and will probably fill out to 240 (if not more). He's a versatile LB that can handle shallow coverage, not a single-high FS like Tre Boston. The Panthers already have a similar chess piece in Shaq Thompson.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Wait...the Raiders are a "cute story" and just not a very good team, yet they are underrated according to your overrated/underrated column? Explain. Truth is, they crossed the threshold from underrated to overrated weeks ago.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Penn State So. Pat Freiermuth is draft eligible. Gronk-type skill set and likely 1st-rounder should he declare. Might want to add him to this list.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@AJB1961 Flacco will never play another down for DEN. The Broncos O-line is pretty bad, but not as bad as LAR, LAC and MIA.
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Pros: You're ahead of the curve on guys like Wirfs, Justin Jones and Marvin Wilson. Walt doesn't even have them in the first round, where they belong. Then again, he didn't have Burrow in the first round until last week....I think you have Delpit in his proper value range. He's a nice prospect, but I've seen mocks with Delpit in the top-5. That's a stretch IMO. If you're a safety in the top-5, you better be a Eric Berry/Sean Taylor-level talent. Delpit is a notch below that. His tackling has been atrocious this season and he's often slow to react. Cons: I think you have Jeudy a touch too high. Not that he isn't an excellent prospect, but he isn't a Julio/Megatron-type freak athlete and he's had quite a few drops this season. Only one WR has been drafted higher than #4 in the last 15 years (Megatron '06) and the '20 WR crop will be deep; I can't see a team like the Giants passing on a potential cornerstone stud like Andrew Thomas for Jeudy when they could probably get a high-quality WR in the 2nd round like Shenault, Higgins, Reagor, etc....I can't see Newton and Winston in Tampa. One or the other, not both. I have a feeling that the Bucs may give Winston one more year if Arians sticks around. DEN, CHI, TEN and LAC are possibilities for Newton, and I agree that Bridgewater ends up in CAR....Don't like Fromm in the 1st round. I know that QB value gets inflated in every draft, but that's usually for guys with some upside. I don't see it with Fromm. He's a backup/fringe starter to me....You may have Derrick Brown too low. He's legit and a top-12 prospect IMO. He would be perfect as a 5T in ARI. BTW, do you have MIA trading down and stockpiling more picks so that they can target Trevor Lawrence in '21? I think that could be their end-game.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Pros: You're ahead of the curve on guys like Wirfs, Justin Jones and Marvin Wilson. Walt doesn't even have them in the first round, where they belong. Then again, he didn't have Burrow in the first round until last week....I think you have Delpit in his proper value range. He's a nice prospect, but I've seen mocks with Delpit in the top-5. That's a stretch IMO. If you're a safety in the top-5, you better be a Eric Berry/Sean Taylor-level talent. Delpit is a notch below that. His tackling has been atrocious this season and he's often slow to react. Cons: I think you have Jeudy a touch too high. Not that he isn't an excellent prospect, but he isn't a Julio/Megatron-type freak athlete and he's had quite a few drops this season. Only one WR has been drafted higher than #4 in the last 15 years (Megatron '06) and the '20 WR crop will be deep; I can't see a team like the Giants passing on a potential cornerstone stud like Andrew Thomas for Jeudy when they could probably get a high-quality WR in the 2nd round like Shenault, Higgins, Reagor, etc....I can't see Newton and Winston in Tampa. One or the other, not both. I have a feeling that the Bucs may give Winston one more year if Arians sticks around. DEN, CHI, TEN and LAC are possibilities for Newton, and I agree that Bridgewater ends up in CAR....Don't like Fromm in the 1st round. I know that QB value gets inflated in every draft, but that's usually for guys with some upside. I don't see it with Fromm. He's a backup/fringe starter to me....You may have Derrick Brown too low. He's legit and a top-12 prospect IMO. He would be perfect as a 5T in ARI. BTW, do you have MIA trading down and stockpiling more picks so that they can target Trevor Lawrence in '21? I think that could be their end-game.
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DuKeMaN 23 Posts (10 )
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@Mr. Bitter yes I see they dolphins stockpiling for whoever they select next year. The roster was in terrible shape and I definitely see them trying to completely tear it down before rebuilding it. As for Lamb, I’m just such a huge fan of his as he always gets open with crisp route running. If I was the Giants I’d probably go somewhere else but I just have a feeling the Giants will go WR. I love Delpit but man he cannot tackle anyone. I don’t really see anyone signed Winston to start though. Next place I could see him go would be the Bills to be a backup. I also agree on Fromm but I think the Saints are going to start panicking with Brees injury and Bridgewater probably signing somewhere else and I think they will fall in love with Fromm. I also really like the DL talent in this years draft. I can definitely see either Brown, Kinlaw or Wilson falling. This years draft is so stacked I don’t think anyone will be even close to getting a Mock right. Thank you so much man. I’ll take that all into consideration in my future mocks
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Pros: You're ahead of the curve on guys like Wirfs, Justin Jones and Marvin Wilson. Walt doesn't even have them in the first round, where they belong. Then again, he didn't have Burrow in the first round until last week....I think you have Delpit in his proper value range. He's a nice prospect, but I've seen mocks with Delpit in the top-5. That's a stretch IMO. If you're a safety in the top-5, you better be a Eric Berry/Sean Taylor-level talent. Delpit is a notch below that. His tackling has been atrocious this season and he's often slow to react. Cons: I think you have Jeudy a touch too high. Not that he isn't an excellent prospect, but he isn't a Julio/Megatron-type freak athlete and he's had quite a few drops this season. Only one WR has been drafted higher than #4 in the last 15 years (Megatron '06) and the '20 WR crop will be deep; I can't see a team like the Giants passing on a potential cornerstone stud like Andrew Thomas for Jeudy when they could probably get a high-quality WR in the 2nd round like Shenault, Higgins, Reagor, etc....I can't see Newton and Winston in Tampa. One or the other, not both. I have a feeling that the Bucs may give Winston one more year if Arians sticks around. DEN, CHI, TEN and LAC are possibilities for Newton, and I agree that Bridgewater ends up in CAR....Don't like Fromm in the 1st round. I know that QB value gets inflated in every draft, but that's usually for guys with some upside. I don't see it with Fromm. He's a backup/fringe starter to me....You may have Derrick Brown too low. He's legit and a top-12 prospect IMO. He would be perfect as a 5T in ARI. BTW, do you have MIA trading down and stockpiling more picks so that they can target Trevor Lawrence in '21? I think that could be their end-game.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Just saw your updated mock...nevermind on Jeudy. Point remains the same though; too high for Lamb. Great mock overall.
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Love that trade at #2. I'm working on my first mock right now and also have a team trading up to #2 for Young. It makes too much sense; the Giants, Jets and Dolphins all desperately need a dominant EDGE, while WAS could move down to 3, 4 or 5 confident that they'll get Thomas or Wirfs. Looking forward to your writeups.
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Love that trade at #2. I'm working on my first mock right now and also have a team trading up to #2 for Young. It makes too much sense; the Giants, Jets and Dolphins all desperately need a dominant EDGE, while WAS could move down to 3, 4 or 5 confident that they'll get Thomas or Wirfs. Looking forward to your writeups.
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DuKeMaN 23 Posts (10 )
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@Mr. Bitter thanks man! Jets have been looking for way too long for a dominant edge and I can’t see them not at least trying to move up to #2 for him. Young is one of the best prospects I’ve seen come out is awhile. I think the Jets will bid the most because they have a well balanced roster. Do you have any negative thoughts? Always down to hear what people think differently than I do
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Walt you better do better this week Yeah, the only feasible angle I can come up with is that it's a borderline must-win situation for the Eagles. Other than that, all signs point to SEA winning. For the sake of argument, I'll say coaching is even (although Carroll has extra time). SEA is healthier. Wilson is better than Wentz. It can't be the homefield angle because Wilson's success on the road is well-documented and SEA is rested off a bye. (They've been in PHI since Friday afternoon.) Besides, road teams are winning at a record 56% clip this season. If there is a glaring positional mismatch, it's Seattle's outside WRs vs. the PHI boundary corners (league-worst vs. outside WRs), and you know Wilson will exploit it. I dunno...maybe SEA comes out flat, but I doubt it. GL guys.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@BigDaddyVladdy If PIT wins it will be 12-9 or something. Their defense will travel, but they won't be focused, and with Conner and JuJu out, CIN may actually have more talent at the skill positions right now.
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More: Wentz is 3-9 career in games without Lane Johnson. Wentz career QBR with Johnson: 98.1. Without Johnson: 79.8. In 2016, PHI was 5-1 with Johnson, 2-8 during Johnson's 10-game suspension. Last week, PHI methodically scored in 2 of first 3 possessions with Johnson. After Johnson's exit, zero points as offense became completely stagnant.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Walt you better do better this week Lol Oh, it gets better. Russell Wilson career vs. PHI: 60.6%, 762 yds, 6 TD - 0 INT, 104.9 QBR, 3-0. Wilson in his last 9 road games: 19 TD - 0 INT, 123.5 QBR. In his career, Wilson is 10-2 ATS and outright on the road vs. East division teams. SEA is 9-2 ATS in last 11 road games. Since start of last season, SEA is 8-3-1 ATS in games where the line is between +3 and -3. (PHI is 3-6 ATS in that span.) Carson Wentz vs. winning teams over last two years: 3-7 (2-8 ATS). Since beginning of last season, PHI is 1-5 ATS (2-4 SU) as a favorite against teams with a winning record.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Joe Burrow has "some" accuracy as a passer?
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Burrow just went 23-28 (82.1%) for 327 yards, 3 TD (zero INTs) and a 215.6 QBR. Fromm? 11-23, 163 yards and 35.5 QBR. Herbert? 20-36 with 2 INTs in loss to ASU with a playoff spot on the line. What does Burrow have to do to move up Charlie's QB rankings?
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Joe Burrow has "some" accuracy as a passer?
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Joe Burrow has "some" accuracy as a passer?
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@DuKeMaN i know, it's crazy. Scouts are saying that Burrow has the best mechanics/timing/accuracy/decision-making they've seen since Andrew Luck. His accuracy is the best in the nation by every advanced metric. Even though he was under pressure a nation-leading 31% of the time and LSU had the 57th-worst drop rate out of 65 Power-5 teams in 2018, his 68% career accuracy would still be the 18th-best in NCAA history if his career ended today. His current 78.6% clip would eclipse the NCAA single-season record by nearly two points. To say Burrow has "some" accuracy is like saying Tyreek Hill has "some" speed.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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DuKeMaN 23 Posts (10 )
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@Mr. Bitter  I read that and was laughing so hard
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 1 month(s) ago
@ugh Says the guy that uses an ellipsis before and after every statement as a dramatic effect. You write like a pretentious teenage girl, dude.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@ugh Never.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Dude, you've gotta get Joe Burrow into your top five. He's better than Herbert and Fromm and could go ahead of Tua.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Teddy I'd agree, but Burrow only has a year of tape. Some teams may not be comfortable with that. He also doesn't possess an elite physical trait (Josh Allen's arm, Kyler Murray's running ability, etc.) that will wow scouts. He's more of a cerebral, Matt Ryan-type (only grittier), but Ryan had three full seasons of tape at BC for scouts to pick apart. Still, I don't see how any mock draft doesn't include Burrow in the top 20 (at the very least) at this point. He has elite accuracy, mechanics, pocket-presence and decision-making skills. He's been a transformative force. I dunno...maybe Walt and Charlie are waiting for Tony Pauline to give the green light on Burrow.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 1 month(s) ago
Dude, you've gotta get Joe Burrow into your top five. He's better than Herbert and Fromm and could go ahead of Tua.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@WAAAAAAAAAAA This comment is so fu*kin stupid that it has to be trolling...but I'll bite. 1) What in the holy hell does having a little dust-up about the Oakland Raiders on a football website have to do with politics? Did you get lost on the way to /pol/ or something? 2) I predicted that OAK wouldn't win more than 5 games. I've already conceded in other threads that the Raiders have been surprisingly competitive and that the offense has been better than I anticipated, but last I checked, they've won 4 games, so until they win 2 more, I don't have to admit jack sh*t. I'll probably be wrong on my prediction, but if so, I don't think I'll be wrong by much. At least I had the marbles to throw out some predictions and strike up some debate instead of being some mob-mentality dip@#$@ that looks for a pile to jump on when the Raiders win and doesn't make a peep when they lose.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@updates How are they doing? I'll tell ya. They have a -34 point differential (5th worst in the AFC). The defense is conceding 6.3 YPP (tied with MIA for 2nd worst in the NFL, behind CIN). The defense is dead last in the league with 40 QB pressures. (#2 MIA with 42, #3 CIN 47, #4 ATL 51 for perspective.) Pressure percentage per drop back? Again, the Raiders are dead last (12.9%) by a comical margin. (SEA is 2nd worst with 15.5%.) Basically, your defense is trash and your team doesn't stand a chance vs. any team that has a good QB or isn't injury-wracked. The only reason OAK didn't lose at home to the Lions is because DET called the worst 4th-and-1 play (take Kenny Golladay off the field and draw up a pass to Logan freakin Thomas???) in NFL history after your coaching staff inexplicably called TO. If Kerryon Johnson had been healthy, the Raiders would be 3-5 and you know it. I'm man enough to admit that Jacobs has been better than I expected, but the Ferrell pick was awful. Per PFF, he is 116th among 117 qualifying edge defenders in overall grade and last among all rookie edge defenders in pass-rush win rate. He literally hasn't laid a finger on a QB since Week 1. Oakland's modest first-half success isn't sustainable and I'm sure it'll be crickets around this thread when the Raiders lose to the Chargers tomorrow, just as it was following the GB and HOU games. But I'm sure I'll be hearing how wrong I was about OAK when they beat another crappy, injury-wrecked team with a backup QB (CIN) the following week...
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Dude, you've gotta get Joe Burrow into your top five. He's better than Herbert and Fromm and could go ahead of Tua.
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@Mr. Bitter  should go ahead of Tua you mean.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 1 month(s) ago
@Tyler Two Glad I'm not the only one who was surprised by that. The Bucs have lost 4 of their last 5 games, and in those games Daniel Jones, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Allen and Ryan Tannehill are 11 TD- 1 INT...yet Russell Wilson, arguably one of the most efficient QBs in NFL history, is somehow going to get rattled? Like you, I get that the Seahawks are probably worse than their record suggests, but even if you think that the Bucs are as good as SEA outside of the QB position, it takes huge marbles to assume that Winston will outduel Wilson. Walt is acting like Winston will somehow be improved because the right side of his line may be healthy. Truth is, Winston's mistakes have little to do with his protection. That's why he's so frustrating. Conversely, Wilson has dealt with a mediocre-to-awful O-line his entire career and thrived.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 2 month(s) ago
@walt The Colts bounced the Texans from the playoffs less than a year ago. I'm surprised you didn't mention this is a potential motivational factor for Houston.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@walt The Colts bounced the Texans from the playoffs less than a year ago. I'm surprised you didn't mention this is a potential motivational factor for Houston.
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Walter 147 Posts (152 )
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@Mr. Bitter 

I had that in mind, but decided not to factor it in because this was a big divisional game for the Colts, so they would be just as motivated.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 2 month(s) ago
@Raidersmojo I haven't gone anywhere, you illiterate, wiggery dipsh*t. The Raiders beat Joe Flacco, Jacoby Brissett and Chase Daniel. The Colts were without T.Y. Hilton, Darius Leonard and Malik Hooker. The hardest part of the schedule is actually coming up. Oakland has to face Aaron Rodgers and DeShaun Watson on the road, and a Lions team that matches up well with the Raiders. (Detroit can stop the run and Darius Slay can erase Tyrell Williams.) Talk to me in November.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 2 month(s) ago
@AND The Raiders have been surprisingly competitive, although the Colts were without . Hilton, Leonard and Hooker.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 2 month(s) ago
@Scott #1) Anyone who unironically calls someone a "hater" is either a 14 year-old girl or a fuc*king moron. #2) The Raiders are going to get healthy during the bye...then promptly get their asses handed to them by the Packers and Texans. From there they will win 2, maybe 3 more games.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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@Fred If you're so confident in the Raiders, then why didn't you (or any of your fellow pile-jumpers) come at me BEFORE the London game. I whiffed on the CHI/OAK game, but at least I had the marbles to make a prediction. Better than the Monday morning mob mentality going on in this comment section.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
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Man, this "Broncos are underrated" thing will not age well. That strong defense has just 5 sacks (2nd-lowest in the NFL), 1 FF (2nd-lowest in NFL) and ZERO INTs. With Chubb out for the season, the Bronco D is basically Von Miller, Chris Harris and a bunch of guys. You say that DEN could have beat GB if not for a few fumbles; turnovers are what decide most NFL games - good teams don't make 'em. The Broncos are just bad.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 2 month(s) ago
Should be and could be. Okay, fine...in an alternate timeline where refs are perfect and the Broncos don't commit ill-timed turnovers, Denver is 4-1. Maybe in that same timeline Marcus Mariota takes that open path into the end zone instead of throwing beyond the line of scrimmage, Cairo Santos is actually good, and the Titans won yesterday. Or maybe in another timeline Russell Okung is healthy, so Von Miller didn't get to feast on Trent Scott and the Chargers won. We can play this game all day. I'm not saying that the Broncos are Dolphins/Redskins/Jets bad, or that they don't have a few nice players sprinkled along the depth chart, but their coaching and overall talent level is only good enough to ALMOST win most weeks. They're probably closer to a rebuild than contention.
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5 years 2 month(s) ago
Man, this "Broncos are underrated" thing will not age well. That strong defense has just 5 sacks (2nd-lowest in the NFL), 1 FF (2nd-lowest in NFL) and ZERO INTs. With Chubb out for the season, the Bronco D is basically Von Miller, Chris Harris and a bunch of guys. You say that DEN could have beat GB if not for a few fumbles; turnovers are what decide most NFL games - good teams don't make 'em. The Broncos are just bad.
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Man, this "Broncos are underrated" thing will not age well. That strong defense has just 5 sacks (2nd-lowest in the NFL), 1 FF (2nd-lowest in NFL) and ZERO INTs. With Chubb out for the season, the Bronco D is basically Von Miller, Chris Harris and a bunch of guys. You say that DEN could have beat GB if not for a few fumbles; turnovers are what decide most NFL games - good teams don't make 'em. The Broncos are just bad.
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5 years 2 month(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

They're really not though. They should be 3-2 now and could be 4-1.

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5 years 2 month(s) ago
I think Walt is slightly overvaluing the Packers this week. I agree with most of his matchup points, like the significance of Tyron Smith's absence and Jaire Alexander's ability to erase Amari Cooper (especially with Gallup likely out again), but a few of his points are flimsy: 1) Davante Adams, who will likely miss this game, is Rodgers' only reliable outside weapon. Walt barely touched on this as if it's not a huge deal. 2) "...I believe the Packers will have a better effort in run defense than we've seen the past couple weeks. They have the personnel to stop the rush, and their long layoff perhaps allowed the coaching staff to find a solution." Actually, GB doesn't have the personnel to stop the rush. It's their glaring weakness and everyone knows it. Kenny Clark is a disruptive interior force, but not your prototypical, 330 lb. run-plugger. Montravious Adams is mediocre and injured. Blake Martinez is steady but limited. Basically, if you chip away at the Packers with the run and you have a decent QB that keeps mistakes to a minimum, you'll probably win. The Cowboys are built for that game plan. 3) Walt suggests that the Cowboys D is overrated because they've faced Manning, Rosen, Keenum and Bridgewater. Fair enough, but if he's going to play that game, he should mention that the GB defense feasted on Trubisky, Cousins and Flacco before allowing Wentz to perform laser surgery last week. Is the GB defense overrated?
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5 years 2 month(s) ago
@justathought "Mr. Bitter" has nothing to do with my personality. I'm actually a pretty affable guy. The nickname was given to me by a buddy who thinks I resemble a character called "Mr. Bitter" in an old Conan O'Brien sketch. As for my criticism of the Raiders...I'm fine with fans getting behind their team. I'm not emotionally involved. I just think that a few of the Oakland fans on this site are wearing rose-colored glasses when it comes to the Mayock/Gruden rebuild. You say it's not about wins, it's about positive results from FA and draft signings. That's fine, but those results must be measured against the productivity of Amari Cooper and Khalil fu*king Mack, true cornerstone talents that Gruden foolishly got rid of. I mean, Tyrell Williams is a nice player, but Amari Cooper is better. Clelin Ferrell is a solid, versatile guy, but not a true edge threat and probably never will be. Per PFF, his pass rush win rate is 12% behind fellow 1st round edge-rushers Bosa, Allen and Burns. The current PFF overall grades for the first four picks of the draft? Murray 61.3, Bosa 68.0, Williams 64.7 and Ferrell 49.1. The early returns aren't promising. Jacobs is a nice runner, but offers nothing in the passing game. Better value could have been found on Day 2 with someone like Devin Singletary, David Montgomery or Miles Sanders. I just don't trust Gruden to mastermind a successful rebuild, and there's little room for error in a division that Pat Mahomes is set to dominate for the next decade.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago

Walt - 

Over the years, you've routinely faded teams that you sensed could be distracted for a variety of reasons ranging from the serious (death of Tony Sparano, hurricane aftermaths, etc.) to the mundane (looking ahead to a superior opponent, etc.). Quick question: Don't you think that the Jalen Ramsey sh*t show qualifies as a legit distraction in Jacksonville? The Jags have every reason to believe that their season is already circling the toilet. First they lose Telvin Smith, then they lose the guy who was finally going to stabilize the QB spot. Cam Robinson gets hurt...Fournette hasn't stepped up...and now their most talented player wants out. I have to think that there is a negative vibe in the JAX locker room that easily outweighs any sort of revenge factor for a TNF loss. 

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5 years 3 month(s) ago

@TypicalNonsense 

"Tyrell Williams has been okay through two weeks against two iffy secondaries, that means the Raiders are for real and they totally didn't overspend for him at all! Gotcha with the facts!"


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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago

@DontBeBitter 

Williams, Waller and Mayowa are journeymen putting up a few numbers because the Raiders have no better options. It's really that simple. If you think for a second that any of them are anything close to cornerstone players or that their modest early-season success is sustainable, then you're delusional. The Raiders have no better options because they're a poorly-run organization that burns first round picks on thumping strong safeties and bellcow RBs, even though the league is trending toward RB-by-committee, and run-stopping strong safeties are near-obsolete. They have no better options because Mayock/Gruden thought they could recapture that 2002 Keyshawn Johnson trade mojo with the Antonio Brown trade and got burned badly. Now they're out a 3rd and 5th round pick and stuck with J.J. Nelson masquerading as a #2WR. But hey, "addition by subtraction", right? Fuc*ing embarrassing.

I tell you that Gruden is an overrated, outdated .500 coach, and you come at me with "it's too early to say such a thing" and the "that's just your opinion" trope. Too early to say such a thing?? Gruden is the 6th-oldest HC in the NFL, not some McVay-type wunderkind. Gruden has a .515 career winning percentage; that's Adam Gase/Bill O'Brien territory. Gruden's career has spanned three decades, and save for the 2002 12-4 Super Bowl Bucs team - a defense-dominated team built by Rich McKay and Tony Dungy that won in spite of, not because of, Gruden's offensive "expertise" - Gruden's record in Tampa was 44-51. Not good. Gruden's tenure in Tampa Bay was largely defined by poor drafts (Michael Clayton, Cadillac Williams, etc.), mediocre QBs, and an affinity for free agency over-spending on washed-up vets like Charlie Garner and Derrick Deese. I don't think much has changed.

The Raiders will finish at 5-11. I could see them stealing one on the road from MIN or IND, but you know Khalil Mack will dominate in London. From there, they won't win another game until late Nov. (CIN, maybe @NYJ). After that, they could beat JAX, maybe DEN again. That's it.

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5 years 3 month(s) ago

@NickJonas 

Jeopardy champ/handicapping savant James Holzhauer predicted a Pats/Rams rematch back in July. It's a done deal.

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5 years 3 month(s) ago

@Mr. Bitter 

To all you gutless, anonymous turds that leave a thumbs down without arguing any of my points...I guaranfuc*intee you that the Raiders will win no more than 5 games this season.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago

@RatedRWes 

Nice call. Revenge is also a factor with the Colts denying the Titans a playoff spot in last season's final game. Walt's logic is that since the Browns came into the season overhyped, that somehow cheapens Tennessee's convincing win. I don't buy it. The Titans are a well-balanced team that has finished 9-7 for three consecutive years. They lost three games by a single point and beat PHI, DAL and NE last season. Just because CLE is overrated doesn't mean TEN can't be underrated.

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago

@chuckster 

Yeah, I can't bring myself to burn NE so early in Survivor. I'm liking the Chiefs SU as a near-lock. Feels like a flat spot for the Raiders...they could really be walking into a buzzsaw against Mahomes. The Chiefs have owned the Raiders in recent years. (10-2 SU since 2013, with every W by at least 7 points.)

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5 years 3 month(s) ago

@Anonymously Too 

I'm not seeing the "tools and support" you mentioned. Gruden is an overrated, outdated .500 coach. Antonio Brown is a ticking time bomb and season-long suspension waiting to happen. Tyrell Williams is a classic case of a #3/4 WR getting paid like a #1/2 WR. Darren Waller is Ricky Seals-Jones. Kolton Miller is a turnstile. Trent Brown was a textbook FA overpay who will revert back to mediocrity without Dante Scarnecchia. Gabe Jackson and Denzelle Good are already injured. Richie Incognito is a psychopath. Josh Jacobs is expected to be the tone-setting bellcow, yet never started in college. The defense is slow, offers zero pass rush, and will force Carr to regularly play from behind. Nothing against Carr, but I can't see him finding any sort of success amid all the dysfunction. 

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago

@Jules Winfield 

Here's the thing about Gase: Those 6 and 7 win seasons in Miami came when the Dolphins were typically considered a 4-12/5-11 level team. The 2016 MIA team was almost universally considered no better than a 7 or 8 win team, yet Gase squeezed 10 wins and a playoff spot from lemons like Matt Moore. 

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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago
The Jets have no edge-rushers worth mentioning and the worst CB depth chart in the NFL...usually not a Super Bowl recipe.
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Mr. Bitter 362 Posts (453 )
5 years 3 month(s) ago
The Niners are basically Kittle, Buckner, Staley, McGlinchey and a bunch of other guys that are always injured. Not a playoff team.
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5 years 4 month(s) ago

The Packers at #28??!! Ballsy. Last year was LaFleur's first as a play-caller after years of riding the coattails of Shanahan and McVay. The Titans ranked 29th in passing offense, 27th in scoring and 25th in total offense. It's a stretch to assume that LaFleur will find immediate success in Green Bay for numerous reasons; Rodgers is chronically injured/overrated/in decline. Aaron Jones is fragile. Jimmy Graham looks washed up. There isn't an established, reliable target beyond Davante Adams. The O-line features stiffs like Bulaga and Lane Taylor who don't fit the new zone-blocking scheme, and signing Billy Turner to a 4-year, $28 million deal just reeks of a free agency blunder. On defense, with the release of Mike Daniels, Kenny Clark is the only sure thing on the D-line. The ILBs are slow and suck in coverage. Preston and Za'Darius Smith are just okay and obvious free agency overpays. (Za'Darius basically did nothing until his contract year - usually a red flag that Walt recognizes.) Rashan Gary has "upside" bust written all over him. Other than Adrian Amos and should-probably-be-released Tramon Williams, the secondary is painfully young, with Kevin King and Josh Jackson showing early bust signs. The special teams are poor, with Mason Crosby becoming increasingly inaccurate. The schedule is brutal. Outside of the NFC North, the Packers have to travel to DAL, KC, LAC, SF, and get PHI and an improved CAR team at home. All of this, and there are two teams (CHI and MIN) in the NFC North that are simply more talented and better coached than the Packers. 

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